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03-15-2007, 05:44 AM
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Re: Is this ever OK?
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[ QUOTE ] Guess you had 99-TT, but I dont like it [/ QUOTE ] really? I immediately thought he had like AQ. [/ QUOTE ] 
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03-15-2007, 05:49 AM
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Re: Is this ever OK?
It's hard to come up with a hand that is worth 3betting into a shortstack for 1/3 of their stack preflop but check-folding on the flop.
I mean, hands that would check-fold that flop would be small pairs, AQ, JT, etc. None of these should really be 3betting preflop with this stack size, in my opinion.
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#13
03-15-2007, 05:56 AM
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Re: Is this ever OK?
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It's hard to come up with a hand that is worth 3betting into a shortstack for 1/3 of their stack preflop but check-folding on the flop. I mean, hands that would check-fold that flop would be small pairs, AQ, JT, etc. None of these should really be 3betting preflop with this stack size, in my opinion. [/ QUOTE ] naa, AQ is fine to C/F here, this flop is much worse than average, just don't fold AQ when the flop comes 238 44T etc.
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#15
03-15-2007, 11:30 AM
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Re: Is this ever OK?
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[ QUOTE ] It's hard to come up with a hand that is worth 3betting into a shortstack for 1/3 of their stack preflop but check-folding on the flop. I mean, hands that would check-fold that flop would be small pairs, AQ, JT, etc. None of these should really be 3betting preflop with this stack size, in my opinion. [/ QUOTE ] naa, AQ is fine to C/F here, this flop is much worse than average, just don't fold AQ when the flop comes 238 44T etc. [/ QUOTE ] Yeah, I agree, but you shouldn't be 3betting it preflop given the stacks.
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#16
03-15-2007, 11:44 AM
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Re: Is this ever OK?
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[ QUOTE ] It's hard to come up with a hand that is worth 3betting into a shortstack for 1/3 of their stack preflop but check-folding on the flop. I mean, hands that would check-fold that flop would be small pairs, AQ, JT, etc. None of these should really be 3betting preflop with this stack size, in my opinion. [/ QUOTE ] naa, AQ is fine to C/F here, this flop is much worse than average, just don't fold AQ when the flop comes 238 44T etc. [/ QUOTE ] you act first. shoving with AQ is super standard.
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#17
03-15-2007, 11:49 AM
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Re: Is this ever OK?
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] It's hard to come up with a hand that is worth 3betting into a shortstack for 1/3 of their stack preflop but check-folding on the flop. I mean, hands that would check-fold that flop would be small pairs, AQ, JT, etc. None of these should really be 3betting preflop with this stack size, in my opinion. [/ QUOTE ] naa, AQ is fine to C/F here, this flop is much worse than average, just don't fold AQ when the flop comes 238 44T etc. [/ QUOTE ] you act first. shoving with AQ is super standard. [/ QUOTE ] and C/F is okay too it might be slightly better, nobody knows for sure. Also, reraising is fine, sheesh I always try to get it in against shortstacks with top 5%-ish.
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#18
03-15-2007, 12:04 PM
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Re: Is this ever OK?
at 14% pfr, his pf range is approx: 22+,ATs+,KTs+,QTs+,JTs,ATo+,KJo+.
his postflop calling range is therefore around: TT+,88,55,AKs,KTs+,AKo,KJo+. that is about half his preflop range and its pretty wide postflop. i didnt include flush draws/straight draws he might call with, but that should be weighted less since he seems like a tag and called a 3bet short with his cards. therefore he is folding >50% of the time and when we do bluff with AQ we get called and sometimes have ~12-24% equity. shoving with AQ first to act is a million times better than c/f because it forces him to make a decision. sometimes we will have sick equity when he has a fd/sd and we take it down the majority so arguing that its not a profitable line is a bit ridiculous here.
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03-15-2007, 12:31 PM
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Re: Is this ever OK?
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at 14% pfr, his pf range is approx: 22+,ATs+,KTs+,QTs+,JTs,ATo+,KJo+. his postflop calling range is therefore around: TT+,88,55,AKs,KTs+,AKo,KJo+. that is about half his preflop range and its pretty wide postflop. i didnt include flush draws/straight draws he might call with, but that should be weighted less since he seems like a tag and called a 3bet short with his cards. therefore he is folding >50% of the time and when we do bluff with AQ we get called and sometimes have ~12-24% equity. shoving with AQ first to act is a million times better than c/f because it forces him to make a decision. sometimes we will have sick equity when he has a fd/sd and we take it down the majority so arguing that its not a profitable line is a bit ridiculous here. [/ QUOTE ] whos arguing a shove isnt profitable? comprehension ftw
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