A flop shove with JJ in a rr pot (400NL)

[J. Sawyer]

well.. it's better than folding at least :-/

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hmm, I think I kinda like it because your hand looks like a bluff, since you wouldn't shove KK and you rarely have AK here, so you might get some hero calls from 77-TT, while protecting your hand against things like AQ/AT or whatever.

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yes except villain can have EASILY have AK or AA or KK here.

[Novles]

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hmm, I think I kinda like it because your hand looks like a bluff, since you wouldn't shove KK and you rarely have AK here, so you might get some hero calls from 77-TT, while protecting your hand against things like AQ/AT or whatever.

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yes except villain can have EASILY have AK or AA or KK here.

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of course he can. but those hands are a small part of his range imo, as he's been 3-betting a lot and we opened otb. and fwiw, i think a lot of villains check AK/KK here a lot.

[Caruso]

does he have any idea on your 4-betting range?

[BalugaWhale]

ew

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if he has a K he's not folding/

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its not a bluff

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if you call flop he is almost never firing again unless you're beat. You're letting him play perfectly against you here.

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whats your range for pushing this flop?

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I don't think I ever push this flop. calling is way better here.

[James00]

If this is for value...then it sucks. I dont see him calling with much worse.

If its a bluff....then why?

[Dan Bitel]

can some1 PLEASE give me an estimate of their flop riasing range here

[jfish]

AA, flush draws.

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AA, flush draws.

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Ya pretty much I probably don't even raise AA here.