First time in a while where I really didn't know what to do

[Hindsight2020]

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Loc: learning how to fold when beat

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i think folding yields most profit in the long term

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hmmm

blue.. tough spot

you can't call, because your implied odds are basically non-existant, and you don't have direct odds, so we can throw that out the door, unless you are comfortable c/fing to any future action, unless you hit your J

i'm not even sure if c/cing a diamond would be winning you a lot of money, but you probably have to call

since he's been 4-betting a lot, his range may very well contain enough air or hands that can't stand heat that pushing is +EV

ask yourself what you think his four betting range is, and do the math, if you want, but intuitively, given the situation, i think a push should be profitable

[catcher193]

B/3B AI

edit: make sure you dont get it in against AdAx, QdQx, AdKx
if his range consists of much more than this you can get it in correctly.

[Go_Blue88]

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some donk ain't folding TPTK after he puts 1/7 of his stack in pf

you said his smaller bets tended to be bluffs, and his flop bet was a slight overbet, which means your hand is no good here, yeah? Or did I misinterpret?

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well he min-raise bluffs the flop and turn sometimes; however, when he actually bets, he bets pretty big.

[Go_Blue88]

Well, I didn't learn much from this thread. oh well.

I pushed, he called.

Unfortunately he had A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K, and I was pretty much fcked.

Perhaps the diamond in my hand caused me to overplay it; I basically thought "lots of times I'm ahead and he'll fold or maybe even call (eg- some bad pocket pair), sometimes I'm behind and he'll call; but even if he does I have outs. And occasionally maybe he'll even fold a btter hand (like QQ no diamond) although this is very unlikely considering i sometimes expect him to call w/ worse."

but a big part of the reason I pushed was b/c i had the J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]...I woulda insta-folded w/o it.

[FireStorm]

Mike makes a very good point in saying that you can never be very far ahead if you get it all in now. However, as evidenced, you can be quite far behind. A fold here could be considered to be +EV.

Shoving is obviously better than calling but as far as being ahead, pretty much only a hand with the naked Ad, or some nonsense like Kx9d, is in the range of hands you're beating.