$235 6 Man: TP-Mediocre Kicker Vs Bad Big Stack On Bubble - Page 2

Slim Pickens · #11 03-08-2007, 01:53 AM

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Bad players smoothcall KK/QQ preflop, even JJ, then poop their pants when an ace comes. And will almost never let it go to just one bet. Not saying I know that's what he has. But you see that all the time.

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I asked the OP what he meant by "bad" and he said he didn't know since this hand was played a week ago and copied into notepad. We're probably just talking about two different kinds of "bad" players.

Deuce2High · #12 03-08-2007, 03:10 AM

i almost never bet both streets here...

its read dependent as to whether im betting the flop or the turn, but if i bet one i usually check the other... of course there are a few exceptions.

- bigt439 (im on mario's laptop in germany)

curtains · #13 03-08-2007, 03:21 AM

Allin on turn you have the nuts against this moron, and want the hand to end because of some annoying draw possibilities. Also they might call with some weaker ace because they are moron.

But basically I'm not giving dude free card on the bubble in already giant pot just to induce some possible bluff or whatever. Not the time to play around IMO.

curtains · #14 03-08-2007, 03:22 AM

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Am I crazy for wanting to check the flop and bet the turn? You have one live card and I don't know which one it is.

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One live card whats that mean?

curtains · #15 03-08-2007, 03:23 AM

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Why do you want to drive the betting? No better hands are folding. Pretty much everything else is drawing thin, so free cards aren't hurting you much. Worse hands bluff later if you check where they fold to a bet.

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Pot is gigantic and its the bubble, aka the absolute worst time to get sucked out on. I mean its like a 3k pot and you have 2000 chips left. Stop [censored] around and just take the pot, it is possible to get called by worse, and its also possible that when you check you give free card that can beat you and gain nothing from doing so.

suzzer99 · #16 03-08-2007, 03:54 AM

I guess what I'm thinking is that if this dude has a monster we can check turn, call river and still have a viable stack. Since if we shove there's not that many hands he's going to pay off with. And what draws are we *that* worried about? That he's got two diamonds? Doesn't seem super likely. Or that he has a K or Q and the other comes? So 4 outs + 3 for his kicker + 2 for trips or whatever. Hmmmm.

Also it's a 2300 pot and hero has 2300 left. Somehwat different.

curtains · #17 03-08-2007, 03:55 AM

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I guess what I'm thinking is that if this dude has a monster we can check turn, call river and still have a viable stack. Since if we shove there's not that many hands he's going to pay off with. And what draws are we *that* worried about? That he's got two diamonds? Doesn't seem super likely. Or that he has a K or Q and the other comes? So 4 outs + 3 for his kicker or whatever. Hmmmm.

Also it's a 2300 pot and hero has 2300 left. Somehwat different.

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[censored] that monster [censored]. How is it 2300 and hero has 2300 left? OHHH sorry thought we raised to 600 pf and bet 800 on flop. No idea why I thought that. In any case I still think its a very very clear allin. Is it still 60/40 payout structure in these?

Pudge714 · #18 03-08-2007, 03:58 AM

I check this flop.
As played check turn.

suzzer99 · #19 03-08-2007, 04:06 AM

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Is it still 60/40 payout structure in these?

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Yes. Oh wait, 65/35.

Newt_Buggs · #20 03-08-2007, 04:12 AM

How bad is villain? Since he is bad I would usually shove the turn since we will be ahead so often here and I don't want to give a free card when the pot is so big on the bubble. Plus even if he does have us beat checking doesn't help us much since we will often call a river shove anyway.

Against a better player I would often play more cautious.