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FishyMcFish · #11 03-04-2007, 01:16 PM

What about a slowplayed set? He could have lmped pre-flop with 88/55, then just slowplayed the flop, the K is a potential danger for him as it puts a another draw on the board.

Only thing is, would he haave played this way with a flush draw on flop?

WarDekar · #12 03-04-2007, 01:18 PM

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What about a slowplayed set? He could have lmped pre-flop with 88/55, then just slowplayed the flop, the K is a potential danger for him as it puts a another draw on the board.

Only thing is, would he haave played this way with a flush draw on flop?

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I can't put him on a set here. I really am not sure what to put villain on, but I just don't see it being worth calling your entire tourney on this hand.

FishyMcFish · #13 03-04-2007, 01:20 PM

I agree, definite fold but I'd be interested in why you don't think it's a set??

mikeJ · #14 03-04-2007, 01:22 PM

I think he shows up w/ a flush draw/straight draw pretty often. I call. He has one pair of Ts rarely. KT is a possibility, but i think the type of player that c/c's a flop w/ KT is the same guy whose gonna check top two on turn. I think this is a very uncommon line for a set/T8 too. I would think a set/T8 would either c/r flop or c/c flop c/r turn. I've seen people peel w/ AK/KQ before and shove this turn tho. So occasionally you'll see a bare pair of Ks. I do think his line is fairly consistent w/ QJ/J9/97/76/FD (though I think draws will often c/r flop, w/ QJ being the least likely to c/r flop)

gboro · #15 03-04-2007, 02:27 PM

agreed mike. you'd have to imagine the players who are check/calling flopped sets are almost certainly checking or weak/leading the turn too, not overpushing.

i was slightly worried about hands like JT QT T9 etc on flop but now i think you can throw them out of the picture too. why would he check/call with top pr then shove the scary turn? very unlikely.

i'm gonna give it a little more time before i post results but i called fwiw.

Heir_Aparent · #16 03-04-2007, 02:52 PM

it really looks like a draw or a monster. Dunno about the frequencies of both really, id guess moreoften its a draw. I guess sometimes you will see a set here. Since I dont wanna go re read and find out if its just a rebuy/add on ill comment on both possibilites. Straight rebuy - id call. Rebuy/add on, i'd evaluate it on the basis that I can never be positive im ahead, and at best im getting it in and the villain prob has 10 outs. It's V early and your a good player compared to rest of table, so I might pass up on this smaller edge to try and find better spots later on. This sounds fishy I know, but it really depends how I feel about the frequencies in that spot. You said the longer you thought the more confident you got about a call. I'd prob call then.

mikeJ · #17 03-04-2007, 03:24 PM

I'm waiting for the day where I make a superstar call w/ 4th pair only to find someone overbet value shoving w/ 3rd pair, leveling me.

reecelights · #18 03-04-2007, 03:55 PM

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i used my whole timebank putting this guy on a range of hands. just wondering what you guys would have him on here. thx for the input

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A King, a set of Tens 8s or 5s (less likely), QJ or two clubs. I think it's 50/50 as to whether he is protecting a hand or pushign a strong draw. You should still fold if he is pushing a draw.

You said you already used your rebuy: What happend to the other 1/3 of yoru stack? Does this have an possible influence on villain's decision to push?

gboro · #19 03-05-2007, 07:35 PM

well i tanked and decided i really felt he was semi bluffing with his draw on flop. definitely not a standard call for me but decided to go with it.

he had k6cc, i'm a donk. thought it was an interesting hand though.

Mr.Poker · #20 03-05-2007, 08:44 PM

wow, i got there just too late, I was gona say he has Kcxc and just hit the turn K for top pair.

I agree here that villian has a pretty wide range and can be on many draws, but i think as quite a few people have pointed out, you have to follow his action and the type of player that makes him. If he has a draw and is check calling the flop, why is he suddenly playing the turn so aggressively? No draws have hit with this turn card and the board just got scarier for a bare 10. This is either a turned two pair ie. K8, K5, which TBH, i can't rule out against some players, or a flush pair combination, more likely being the KcXc, as a 10cXc probably plays the flop stronger, turn more cautiously (although not necessarily).

This kind of feels like a 'getting into the mind of a donk' exercise more than anything!

ps. I think this is almost never a set