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Old 03-03-2007, 10:50 PM
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None of us do because we are born in a nature of sin.

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I find it bizarre that people don't see how cruel this is.

this alone shows that this supposed God is more evil than any other being I know of.

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So a loving God would have avoided this by creating humans without free will? Is that what you are saying?

EDIT: Or are you asking why you should be held responsible for the sins of mankind? What you are failing to understand is that God can't contradict his own nature.
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Old 03-03-2007, 10:56 PM
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Jesus and the Father are all one God, right? This means that God punished himself so that he didn't have to punish us. Why? Why not just decide not to punish us?

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Good question. He must really love us or something.
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Old 03-03-2007, 11:12 PM
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Default Re: A couple of questions about Christianity that cause me some difficulty

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None of us do because we are born in a nature of sin.

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I find it bizarre that people don't see how cruel this is.

this alone shows that this supposed God is more evil than any other being I know of.

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So a loving God would have avoided this by creating humans without free will? Is that what you are saying?

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why would he have to create us without free will?

when a child is born, they haven't made a single choice..

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EDIT: Or are you asking why you should be held responsible for the sins of mankind?

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yes

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What you are failing to understand is that God can't contradict his own nature.

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what nature? to be a douche? What in his nature forces him to consider a person as sinful when they haven't even made a single decision yet?
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Old 03-03-2007, 11:17 PM
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Default Re: A couple of questions about Christianity that cause me some difficulty

Do you believe the child in my example is somehow a robot?
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Old 03-03-2007, 11:26 PM
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Default Re: A couple of questions about Christianity that cause me some diffic

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Jesus and the Father are all one God, right? This means that God punished himself so that he didn't have to punish us. Why? Why not just decide not to punish us?

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Good question. He must really love us or something.

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so my wife slams the door in the middle of the night and wakes me up..

I can..

1) forgive her
2) stab myself in the stomach and forgive her

doing #2 shows how much I love her?

seriously txag, your responses are becomming more and more evasive.
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Old 03-03-2007, 11:41 PM
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what nature? to be a douche?

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This doesn't deserve an answer.
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Old 03-03-2007, 11:44 PM
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seriously txag, your responses are becomming more and more evasive.

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What does the Bible say about who God is (His nature)?
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Old 03-03-2007, 11:45 PM
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what nature? to be a douche?

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This doesn't deserve an answer.

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I didn't expect an answer to that one.
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Old 03-03-2007, 11:47 PM
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so my wife slams the door in the middle of the night and wakes me up..

I can..

1) forgive her
2) stab myself in the stomach and forgive her

doing #2 shows how much I love her?

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Obviously yes, in terms of your analogy.
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Old 03-03-2007, 11:47 PM
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Do you believe the child in my example is somehow a robot?

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The mother wouldn't give her child "the opportunity" to avoid the truck, because what this really means is, the opportunity not to avoid it.

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Would a true loving God have given humans free will?
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