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#11
03-01-2007, 11:36 PM
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Re: 50nl i NEVER fold kings...
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[ QUOTE ] I'm pretty sure his PF 3bet range is wider than just AA...... Why not shove pre? [/ QUOTE ] i don't think it is. [/ QUOTE ] The odds of being dealt a given pocket pair are about 220:1, which means that AA makes up less than one half of one percent of a persons range. Even if villain only 3-bets about one third of the hands they raise you still have basically enough range for KK and QQ to be a possibility. You tie with KK and beat QQ, so dead money in the pot is enough to warrant shoving this preflop. On the flop, there is no reason not to shove here, since we have absolutely no reason whatsoever to believe that villain has anything but an overpair. [ QUOTE ] edit: and ya know, even if it is, i'm +EV against this guy in the long run i can find a better spot than this WA/WB situation [/ QUOTE ] This is not the time to be thinking WA/WB. Villain has a very narrowly defined range in which you beat or tie against more than %50 of his possible hands. If you can't bring yourself to raise this flop with the intention of getting it all-in by the river so long as an ace doesn't hit the board, you are playing the wrong game. 
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#14
03-02-2007, 12:01 AM
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Re: 50nl i NEVER fold kings...
Hmmm, its close, but I've only played like 300 hands with him and dont have him as nitty as you. I'd call here bc QQ is prob just as likely as AA. I've folded KK pf to some of the mar del plata guys and this guy stella.
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#16
03-02-2007, 12:29 AM
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Re: 50nl i NEVER fold kings...
It really is pretty close. I have about 1000 hands with him, and I think it all depends on how you have been playing. Several times I was getting a little bit out of line and he 3 bet me pretty loose that session so he can mix it up a bit. I would def. not 4 bet him pf. I would crai on the flop.
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#17
03-02-2007, 01:52 AM
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Re: 50nl i NEVER fold kings...
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I would def. not 4 bet him pf. I would crai on the flop. [/ QUOTE ] Does that even make sense? If you're not shoving preflop because you are afraid of AA, why would you let him see a flop and maybe catch his set before you push? He still has AA.
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#18
03-02-2007, 01:55 AM
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Re: 50nl i NEVER fold kings...
SHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOVE PF
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#20
03-02-2007, 03:30 AM
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Re: 50nl i NEVER fold kings...
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] I'm pretty sure his PF 3bet range is wider than just AA...... Why not shove pre? [/ QUOTE ] i don't think it is. [/ QUOTE ] The odds of being dealt a given pocket pair are about 220:1, which means that AA makes up less than one half of one percent of a persons range. Even if villain only 3-bets about one third of the hands they raise you still have basically enough range for KK and QQ to be a possibility. You tie with KK and beat QQ, so dead money in the pot is enough to warrant shoving this preflop. On the flop, there is no reason not to shove here, since we have absolutely no reason whatsoever to believe that villain has anything but an overpair. [ QUOTE ] edit: and ya know, even if it is, i'm +EV against this guy in the long run i can find a better spot than this WA/WB situation [/ QUOTE ] This is not the time to be thinking WA/WB. Villain has a very narrowly defined range in which you beat or tie against more than %50 of his possible hands. If you can't bring yourself to raise this flop with the intention of getting it all-in by the river so long as an ace doesn't hit the board, you are playing the wrong game. [/ QUOTE ] I agree. Shove pf.
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