$16 AK vs. WTF? - Page 2

tozzy · #11 02-28-2007, 05:17 AM

what manchild was trying to say is, that ppl who like to go allin in the very first hand of a sng usually dont enjoy a very healthy roi which _may_ be caused by them having no clue.
this is a [censored] fold nevertheless. you are no favorite here. this is a PP like 99% of the time.

Niediam · #12 02-28-2007, 07:51 AM

I call with QQ+

... and sometimes JJ if for whatever reason I think villian might be more likely to not have much.

Finnisher · #13 02-28-2007, 09:45 AM

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this is a [censored] fold nevertheless. you are no favorite here. this is a PP like 99% of the time.

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Yes. He might be a donk but IMO it's more likely he does this with a good hand rather than some random trash.

A couple of weeks ago I called a 1st hand push with 32o from the BB. Villain had AA. I lost and got accused of colluding.

dirtysanchez · #14 02-28-2007, 09:50 AM

why the [censored] would you do that finnisher? also this is an easy fold this early.

Finnisher · #15 02-28-2007, 10:21 AM

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why the [censored] would you do that finnisher?

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I see all these millionaire ballas flipping for huge sums of money, got carried away and wanted a taste of that life-style. [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

Hercules · #16 02-28-2007, 10:58 AM

I am also in the calling camp. Readless i will call here.
I don`t know why this is a pocket pair so often. My experience is that he`s full of [censored] most of the time.
If he`s capable of pushing a PP, why wouldnt he push AT and crap like that?
Really, i am almost never folding this.
To all guys who talk about endgame advantage etc...What about hourly rate?
IMO it is +cEV and +$EV. But lets assume however that its slightly negative for your ROI, IMO its definitely + for your hourly rate.

Bryn · #17 02-28-2007, 11:46 AM

Easy fold for the first hand. I'd call with aces or kings only.

Hercules · #18 02-28-2007, 11:57 AM

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Easy fold for the first hand. I'd call with aces or kings only.

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No offense, but you`re welcome at my tables

. People play so bad and i think you`re loosing lots of value if you`re calling that tight. I might even look him up with TT here. But obv i`m the moron when he shows up with AA [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

tozzy · #19 02-28-2007, 02:25 PM

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I am also in the calling camp. Readless i will call here.
I don`t know why this is a pocket pair so often. My experience is that he`s full of [censored] most of the time.
If he`s capable of pushing a PP, why wouldnt he push AT and crap like that?
Really, i am almost never folding this.
To all guys who talk about endgame advantage etc...What about hourly rate?
IMO it is +cEV and +$EV. But lets assume however that its slightly negative for your ROI, IMO its definitely + for your hourly rate.

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I play on party but I'd accuse the avg 55 donk being as bad as a usual 16stars donk, so, this is at very least as often AA/KK as it is anything you dominate. From my personal experience this even is AA/KK more often than it is anything else. I really, really dont see how you would want to call this or look him up on sharkscope because conversely, the worse he gets, the more likely this is a monster.

Sparta45 · #20 02-28-2007, 02:30 PM

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I am also in the calling camp. Readless i will call here.
I don`t know why this is a pocket pair so often. My experience is that he`s full of [censored] most of the time.
If he`s capable of pushing a PP, why wouldnt he push AT and crap like that?
Really, i am almost never folding this.
To all guys who talk about endgame advantage etc...What about hourly rate?
IMO it is +cEV and +$EV. But lets assume however that its slightly negative for your ROI, IMO its definitely + for your hourly rate.

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I play on party but I'd accuse the avg 55 donk being as bad as a usual 16stars donk, so, this is at very least as often AA/KK as it is anything you dominate. From my personal experience this even is AA/KK more often than it is anything else. I really, really dont see how you would want to call this or look him up on sharkscope because conversely, the worse he gets, the more likely this is a monster.

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I'm not saying this is a call or a fold, but this is almost NEVER AA or KK. An open push into a nothing pot for 1,500 chips.....usually AA or KK?? Are you serious?? Even ignoring the fact that it's improbable since our hero has an A and a K, this is almost never AA/KK.

It's usually a pair or some sort of weak ace. Since villian is obviously a donk, it could even be some sort of broadway junk.