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Maury Wills, Don Newcombe, Gil Hodges obv.
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Nobody voted in.
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[ QUOTE ] Nobody voted in. [/ QUOTE ] Link. Here's the article on it. [/ QUOTE ] Absolute joke. Time to disband this committee, who are only embarrassing theirselves at this point, and turn the voting over to SABR. The commonly held belief is that Tom Seaver & Joe Morgan head a cabal that is intent on not ever voting anyone in through the Veterans Committee. If this is true, and it apparently is, then they both need to be removed from the process. |
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Joe Morgan is a douche. I think he has a vendetta against any Cub now due to some people thinking Ryno was the greatest living 2B.
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Nobody voted in. [/ QUOTE ] An absolute disgrace. The committee showed they haven't got a clue last year when they refused to induct Buck O'Neil in the special Negro League inductions. Now they ignore Santo, Kaat, Hodges, Newcombe, Oliva(the Gayle Sayers of baseball)et al, again. |
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I love (and by love, I mean, hate with passion) how the Veterans Committee went from the loosest of all standards to the strictest.
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I was fairly confident from the start that this group of selectors would do something like this, that is, deem no one else worthy for inclusion. I understand their motives, but their reasoning is flawed.
If Morgan & Seaver say, look, Santo & Kaat are good players, but not up to our standards, (as good as us) who can blame them? Speaking for Seaver & Morgan, they played the game as well as anyone at their positions in their generation, so why shouldn't that be the line? But as strange as this sounds, the Hall of Fame has traditionally lower standards then that. Not much lower, but somewhat lower. They fear that letting Ron Santo in demeans "their club" somehow. I think this is ludicrous and that Santo clearly belongs, but this group lacks the long view. They miss the contextual nuances, trusting in their "I played the game" mentality and the confidence that made them immortal ballplayers but makes them VERY mortal selectors, lacking in perspective. On a separate note, it is surprising that they miss that Santo was the best NL left-infielder for close to a decade in an offense-starved decade and played good defense to boot. They might argue he's not Schmidt or Robinson, but the Hall of Fame is not about being the best ever, as they are on offense and defense for a 3rd baseman respectively. As for Kaat I'm ok leaving him out. He may be the best fielding pitcher of all time, though, which may merit something. The Hall of Fame should honor greatness, not just immortality. For every Willie Mays & Joe Dimaggio there are Al Kaline's & Robin Yount's. Great players who are just below the best in the game. This does not even get into the lame hall of fame selections like Joe Tinker, Tommy McCarthy, or Dave Bancroft, to name a few of many, many. Clearly the veteran's committee needs some reform. I think a SABR panel with guidance from HOF'ers & ALL media types. Why should, say, Vin Scully or Joe Garagiola never have a say in such matters? |
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