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Old 02-23-2007, 12:55 AM
nolanfan34 nolanfan34 is offline
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Couldn't he put you on A7 of diamonds, or thereabouts?

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If he puts me on this, what purpose would be served by betting the river?

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Well, UTG was still in the hand, so he certainly could just be betting for value against him. Against two players on that river, you're not checking and expecting to have someone with a missed draw take a stab at it, right?
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Old 02-23-2007, 12:56 AM
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Maybe you play in games that are much more loose aggro than I do, but if I get reraised I am dragging this pot somewhere in the realm of never against this opponent.

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If you feel this strongly then act on your convictions as its a specific read against a specific opponent which we can't share out of the moment. Against 95% or more of the planet, a raise is in order here.
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Old 02-23-2007, 02:18 AM
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Couldn't he put you on A7 of diamonds, or thereabouts?

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If he puts me on this, what purpose would be served by betting the river?



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Because he thinks he has the best hand. You look like a missed flush draw. Why not bet the river? Wouldn't you? I would.

Only 1 hand beats you. Raise it and call. If he has 75, more power to him.

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Old 02-23-2007, 02:28 AM
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yeah, dude, he's betting that river for value out of his set from one of you two. He's not putting UTG on a 5. UTG looks like a frustrated overpair. He can pretty easily put you on diamonds, possibly 2 pair. There are a ton of hands that he is betting for value here. This is worth a raise.
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Old 02-23-2007, 03:36 AM
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Default Re: There\'s Nothing to Post About

you have to raise the river, even if getting 3-bet puts you in a tough spot.

raising and calling a 3-bet has a higher expectation than just calling even if he only 3-bets 75. he has a set too often.

if you know him well enough that you can fold, go ahead and fold to the 3-bet. the raise isn't close though.
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Old 02-23-2007, 03:45 AM
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You lose if 3-bet and I don't think a human alive can fold. This is a call.

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Agreed. Why risk 3BBs to win 1.5 (assuming he calls the raise 50% of the time)?

The guy played this hand like 75. On every street. I mean yeah he also played it like a set, but if I had 75 I'd play it similar to the way he did. CALL. (But there is something to post about -- Jeff; it's closer than you might think even if it is a call).
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Old 02-23-2007, 03:52 AM
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Agreed. Why risk 3BBs to win 1.5 (assuming he calls the raise 50% of the time)?

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he has a big hand here and is calling the raise close to 100% of the time when he doesn't have 75. if he's calling the raise only 50% of the time, you're not bluffing nearly enough.
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Old 02-23-2007, 06:48 AM
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Agreed. Why risk 3BBs to win 1.5 (assuming he calls the raise 50% of the time)?

The guy played this hand like 75. On every street. I mean yeah he also played it like a set, but if I had 75 I'd play it similar to the way he did. CALL. (But there is something to post about -- Jeff; it's closer than you might think even if it is a call).


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He calls almost every time because of the size of the pot, and unless he defends with 57off every time, there are more set combos in his range than there are 7 high straight combos.

You cant fold to a 3bet because he will 3bet you with hands that chop knowing that you NEVER have a 7 high straight. He could be pulling this with other pair+draw combo hands like 56s, 35s or 45s. Or he could have defended with 52s. And that's before you factor in the possibility of erratic play, or misreads of the board. Folding to a 3bet is absurd.
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Old 02-23-2007, 07:57 AM
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i must have misread something, because i can't think of any reason why this isn't a raise. the real question is what to do if 3bet.

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You lose if 3-bet and I don't think a human alive can fold.

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i could. but then everyone here would yell at me.
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Old 02-23-2007, 08:22 AM
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I guess I'll be the nit to say this is a fold preflop, not close, unless you just want to gamble but no way is this +EV in my mind.

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