Illinois Illini mascot to make final appearance tonight

[CardSharpCook]

You might be racist because you could believe there is something derogitory about "Fighting Illini", but (probably) see "Yankees" as a term picked for pride. Start to consider that "indian" team names were also pciked for pride just as "Patriots" was.

[AngusThermopyle]

1. There are no Illiniwek left in Illinois. They were "removed" in the 1830's
2. The outfit he wears is Sioux, not Illiniwek.
3. The "descendants" of the Illiniwek, the Peoria Tribe of Indians of Oklahoma, are currently against the symbol (the University does not call him a 'mascot'). Even the Sioux have asked that the costume be returned.

[bugstud]

so what is notre dame's mascot going to be?

[Colt McCoy]

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so what is notre dame's mascot going to be?

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I think they'll change it as soon as a group of Irishmen can stay sober long enough to ask for the switch. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

[DrewDevil]

If the tribe doesn't think it's offensive or even thinks it's cool (e.g., the Seminoles), then I guess it's okay... but still a little weird.

[JaredL]

As angus points out, they aren't even using the right tribe.

Speaking of Notre Dame, they should stay the Irish and use this guy as a mascot:

[AngusThermopyle]

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so what is notre dame's mascot going to be?

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The Blessed Virgins? (seen here signaling "First Down!")

[Case Closed]

I can't believe the the NCAA was able to force the university to do this. It's pretty [censored] situation that they hold so much power over the university.

[New001]

At least they didn't make them change Fighting Illini? I'd go from not really caring to being kinda pissed. I only went there for a couple years though.

[MyTurn2Raise]

alright, I unfortunately know way too much about this whole 'debate'

This thing has raged every since the late 80s and is a taboo topic to bring up in polite conversation--like abortion, politics, religion

here are the bad and the good about the chief

The Bad:

-It's a white american in face paint in front of a largely white crowd

-The dance moves are exaggerated in order for a whole stadium to see the dance

-The dance is done with a headdress on, which is not what would have happened

--the Peoria tribe, the closest connection to the Illini nation still in existence, changed its position on the chief 4 years ago IIRC. After long-time support, the tribal council voted 3-2 against its the university using the chief.

-people outside the program who don't know the history lump it together and stereotype it as blatant racism

The good:

-The school originally had the name Illini in order to honor the past of the state and to identify the students and alumni. The Illini tribe co-operated with and worked together with the original white settlers of the state. The whites and Illini shared quite a bit and were on the same side in nearly every skirmish. The Illini were pursued by other tribes and basically forever extinguished by other indian tribes in the area. It is no surprise then that these other tribes were among the first to call for the removal of the Illini name.

-The word 'fighting' was added in front of Illini to athletic teams after WWI in order to honor those within the university community who perished in the Great War. (Side note: Illinois' football stadium, Memorial Stadium, is a tribute to those victims as well and there is one column for every student/alumnus who perished during the war.)

-Chief Illiniwek was developed between the band director and the head football coach in the mid-1920s. Illiniwek is a carefully chosen word by Zuppke meant to convey the ideal he wants from his young men. Illiniwek: "The Whole man: physically, intellectually, and spiritually"

-the Chief has never been a mascot and doesn't do mascoty things. You'll never see a foam #1 finger. You'll never see back-flips and rah-rah cheers. The Chief doesn't stand on the sidelines throughout the game.

-The Chief is only used in a halftime celebration of tradition and honor to the state's and university's past and present. He does a dance, based on authentic moves, and stands solemnly in the middle of the field/court to lead the crowd in a singing of the alma mater.

-Chief Illiniwek's outfit is authentic.

-Chief Illiniwek is not a caricature being laughed at by the crowd. His movements inspire unity and promote tradition.

--The Chief is an honor to the past of my state and my university. The Illini are a part of my history of which I am proud.

-I've been to many places and seen their traditions-scrip 'i' at Ohio State-Varsity at Wisconsin. I haven't seen one that bonds the whole stadium like Chief Illiniwek.

For those who don't know, This is the Chief's halftime football performance
clip of the stands at a basketball game


obviously, I'm pro-chief. I find it an honor to the history of my state. I take umbrage with those that divide this into a native-American v White-American argument. I don't see this as a we v they history. I see the Illini tribe as every bit a part of my history. I also see the university uses Chief Illiniwek and the name Illini in a respectful manner. I do wish they could improve slightly, like only have the head-dress on during the solemn singing of the alma mater and not during the dance. However, I am against the removal of the Chief that highlights the original founding of my home state.

I do see the need for removal though based mainly on the point I bolded. Most people cannot see the unique situation and will prejudge it as racism. Despite a well-thought out and well-debated issue in the local region, those outside the area perceive us all as bigoted hicks.