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Old 02-22-2007, 05:00 AM
Nate tha\\\' Great Nate tha\\\' Great is offline
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Default Re: Overpair on the Turn vs TAG

The flop 3-bet is usually bad, and the turn laydown is usually OK.
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Old 02-22-2007, 05:13 AM
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Default Re: Overpair on the Turn vs TAG

I don't think you can fold the turn getting around 12 to 1 to call. CO plays enough worse hands this way that it can be worth it to call the turn and check/fold the river UI. CO will raise here with some worse pocket pairs to take a free showdown and fold out UTG.
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Old 02-22-2007, 09:29 AM
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Default Re: Overpair on the Turn vs TAG

what exactly makes the flop 3-bet bad or in other words: what are the benefits of not 3-betting but just calling the flop?
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Old 02-22-2007, 10:14 AM
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Default Re: Overpair on the Turn vs TAG

*grunch*

After you get 3 bet preflop, I'm just calling down from there.
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Old 02-22-2007, 10:24 AM
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Default Re: Overpair on the Turn vs TAG

does somebody checkraise the flop here? Why would you do it and why not?
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Old 02-22-2007, 05:29 PM
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Default Re: Overpair on the Turn vs TAG

The flop bet is usually bad because you usually donīt have the best hand here and your 3-bet is only for value since you obviously ainīt going to get a fold from the other players.If you have a good read on UTG that he is a complete idiot then maybe the 3-bet is good.

But if we do an analysis we find ourselves in a hand with UTG that has cold called two bets twice.
We have CO that reraised you preflop and then thinks that it is a good move to reraise you on flop when you donk him despite him reraising preflop.
Add the possibility that there are several overcards to come on turn and river plus a flush draw and I donīt think you have enough equity to put more bets into the pot on flop.
If you want to put in more bets I would prefer to do it on a blank turn since you have better pot equity then and I do think another raise on turn from CO tells you that youīre screwed.
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