QQ vs. Unknown, STD? - Page 2

DirteAA · #11 02-20-2007, 01:36 AM

Is a crai unacceptable here? If so, why?

ronitonline · #12 02-20-2007, 03:00 AM

I like a crai more then a bet, call AI raise

willw9 · #13 02-20-2007, 10:57 AM

A) It would seem that crai is no different from bet/call; in both scenarios, we still get effed by KK/AA.

If we c/c and he pushes the turn, now what? Can we/should we release here?

B) What is villain's range, after pushing over our bet?

mattnxtc · #14 02-20-2007, 11:02 AM

1. crai works good against an agg villian who is willing to cbet flops like this...u get him to put in another 20-30 and he will genreally have to fold to your c/r which is something you probably dont mind with how big the pot is.

2. villians range is probably AA-1010 definately and sometimes u can see 99,88 type hands in there if he is aggressive enough

willw9 · #15 02-20-2007, 11:05 AM

I guess if we are beat here, crai=b/c.

If he has a PP, b/c is probably better than crai, because we get paid off by 88-JJ.

If he has AK/AQ, crai is obviously much better.

I'm still confused about the optimal line for this one.

Dan Bitel · #16 02-20-2007, 11:06 AM

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A) It would seem that crai is no different from bet/call; in both scenarios, we still get effed by KK/AA.

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crai gets more value from worse hands though

wdead · #17 02-20-2007, 11:08 AM

I c/c a 21/10. I c/r a 25/17

willw9 · #18 02-20-2007, 11:10 AM

Reread title please.

mattnxtc · #19 02-20-2007, 11:11 AM

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I guess if we are beat here, crai=b/c.

If he has a PP, b/c is probably better than crai, because we get paid off by 88-JJ.

If he has AK/AQ, crai is obviously much better.

I'm still confused about the optimal line for this one.

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the problem with this kind of hand on this kidn of flop is that if he has AA, KK you are almost always going to lose a decent amount of money barring an incredible read or nit like play.

c/r ai will gain more money when somebody cbets a weaker hand

betting allows weaker hands to potentially fold here which is bad for u.

your really only afraid of 2 hands but u are happy when about 7 or 8 hands bet this flop into you.

willw9 · #20 02-20-2007, 11:13 AM

I think his whole range, minus AK/AQ (but still maaaaybe, if he sucks) pushes this flop if we bet.