How to play KQo in these situations?

[mvoss]

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2.) Is a lot different but I don't fold here like ever. Calling or raising is definiely better.

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I thought everybody agreed that coldcalling first in from the SB is a bad idea since we're giving BB way too good odds to come along. Is this wrong?

[noob_sauce]

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3.) Stop being results oriented

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was the first thought that came to my mind... just because you lost these two pots does not mean you made an incorrect pre-flop decision... or post-flop for that matter...

a.) as someone said earlier, i tend to assume that a cold-caller is a bad player from the get go... i think three betting has some value w/o a read, but it is very, very marginal... i think I may just let it go until I have a reliable read on the two players...

b.) I think an argument could be made for all 3 options...
but imo 3 betting>calling>folding

[Roland32]

I would call both, KQ plays exceptionally well passively. You usually have the best kicker but people love to bet K and Q high boards to the river. Three bet on the first option is fine though too.(position and blind considerations)

[ILOVEPOKER929]

With no reads I fold both hands preflop.

[Nick C]

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With no reads I fold both hands preflop.

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I guess I'm not the only one after all [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img].

I was starting to wonder.

[Apanage]

Makes us three then.I think we all have to learn to fold hands like these.If I play hand B I just call and play fit or fold.

[Apanage]

Against aggressive tricky LAGTAGS that frequently sees turn HU it is definitely better to call this instead of reraising. Folding might still be better though.

[johnnyrocket]

cases can be made to 3-bet or fold in each case, they are both close in EV. Calling = worst play in the world

[Roland32]

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cases can be made to 3-bet or fold in each case, they are both close in EV. Calling = worst play in the world

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One should be able to play these hands profitably post flop. Folding is really weak here.

As far a calling being the worst, this is ridiculous. Believe it or not in these ramjam short handed games fit or fold and passive play is often the best option. I think Schneids was discussing something similar to this when defending his aggression factor.

[Apanage]

Folding is not weak. But you´re totally right about the calling part.