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Old 02-20-2007, 06:11 AM
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Default Re: TPGK OOP On Wet Board

I wouldn't mind a flop fold here, the pot is small and you have a very weak and vulnerable hand in a multiway pot. Given that you raised I think the rest of the hand is fine.
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Old 02-20-2007, 08:20 AM
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Default Re: TPGK OOP On Wet Board

UTG openlimps UTG and button limps as well makes me think both are fishes.
so they are pretty well capable of holding any pair, Ax or any two suited with one high card.

flop: bet, raise with TP = standart but BU cold calls (yet he might just be a fish)
turn: ace came and both villains calls the aggressors bet
river: straight and backdoor flushes get their. the flop bettor checkes...

if you bet and get raised you get 11:1 yet most people here say you got to fold.

I just go with the check/call line because I want to see that showdown and I dont want to run into an expencive bluff.
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Old 02-20-2007, 08:45 AM
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Default Re: TPGK OOP On Wet Board

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Id honestly ck fold the river I think. I may get roasted for that

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I think its close between c/f and c/c. Hero certainly cant overcall. Without reads I dont mind a c/c.

The flop raise is fine by me. Since the pot is small does anybody like a flop call and then raising a safe turn / folding a bad one?
I mean, protecting our hand is not that big an issue in a small pot.
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Old 02-20-2007, 11:09 AM
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Default Re: TPGK OOP On Wet Board

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Id honestly ck fold the river I think.

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I think checking and folding to a single bet if there is no overcall is incorrect. There are plenty of busted draws or weaker hands that might take a shot here on the river that didn't get there when the 4 hit.
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Old 02-20-2007, 11:10 AM
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I would just fold the flop. This is a pretty weak top pair hand to begin with four handed on this board and it becomes much weaker when SB bets into the field.

You are often already behind and when that is the case you are drawing slim. When you are ahead the field probably has a lot of outs collectivley against you. And the pot is small.

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I like this a lot better than check-folding the river.

I probably raise this flop in the heat of play, but that may not be correct. In a bigger pot, calling and hoping to raise a safe turn card might be the optimal play. I don't think raising the flop is clearly worse, but I think that it might be marginally so, particularly depending on the type of players left to act behind us on the flop.
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Old 02-20-2007, 01:59 PM
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Default Re: TPGK OOP On Wet Board

i also agree with colgin that we should prolly just fold the flop.

as played, i chk/fold the river since i doubt BT is gonna bluff into two villains (although we might have a read that will let us call as long as SB folds).

i think bet/folding the turn was a good thought [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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Old 02-20-2007, 02:13 PM
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Default Re: TPGK OOP On Wet Board

Well I just want to say that I think doing anything but raising this flop seems crazy to me. The board is 678, the pot is 5sb. Your equity against SB is good and the other guys have wide limping ranges. As Scary_Tiger says, winners never fold and folders never win. This hand is not an exception IMO.
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Old 02-20-2007, 05:14 PM
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I check call this river 3 way.
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