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Old 02-19-2007, 01:00 PM
Perk76 Perk76 is offline
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Default Re: Facing a pre-flop raise OOP (theorish)

Sorry..chose Hand 1 villan 1, Hand 2 villan 2, Hand 3 villan 3....

Not reading things correct here at work.
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Old 02-19-2007, 01:06 PM
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Default Re: Facing a pre-flop raise OOP (theorish)

OP -

It's your question format that is screwing people up. You should have just made 9 questions (although that's really too many for a single post). Also consider using poll format - it gets TONS more responses.

1a) call - i want to play the hand but not reraised oop against a solid utg raiser
1b) reraise - he's raising tons here, and we're ahead of his range. with him being aggressive postflop and overs likley to flop, i'd frankly be satisfied if he folded pre
1c) reraise - because we're ahead of his range and he is no goot

2a) fold - tough to get paid consistently
2b) call - easier to get paid if we hit since he's so aggro
2c) call - again we get paid, but this time we do it by leading into the station

3a) toughest one of the bunch IMO. i fold here sometimes tbh. his range is somewhat narrow, and if our reraise gets called we're in an awful spot. a lot of this depends on my image and the current table conditions, so it's hard for me to answer in a vacuum.
3b) reraise
3c) reraise
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Old 02-19-2007, 01:15 PM
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Default Re: Facing a pre-flop raise OOP (theorish)

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It's your question format that is screwing people up.

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I agree [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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Also consider using poll format - it gets TONS more responses.

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Nah.. I want reasoning, not just poll results.
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Old 02-19-2007, 01:01 PM
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Default Re: Facing a pre-flop raise OOP (theorish)

A) Re-raise, unless he is a nit.
B) Call
C) Re-raise.
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Old 02-19-2007, 01:12 PM
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Default Re: Facing a pre-flop raise OOP (theorish)

Ok, this is what I was looking for:

Hand 1:

a) Reraise/call mostly depending on my table image. I want to have good fold equity when reraising.

b) I'm calling, since I don't think I have enough fold equity.

c) I'm calling again, cause implied odds are great.

Hand 2:

a) I'm finding the fold button here. I see most of you don't, but when I see people calling UTG raise in this spot with 2+2ish stats it screams out small PP. Implied odds just are not there if the villain is any good.

b&c) Calling.

Hand 3:

a) Fold/reraise. I just don't like calling here. We're not hitting flops enough and villain is a TAG.

b) Fold/reraise, but definitely folding more than against TAG.

c) Call.
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Old 02-19-2007, 01:16 PM
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Default Re: Facing a pre-flop raise OOP (theorish)

OP - I think TT is in good shape agains the range of a 22% PFR, but when you just call you're turning the hand into 33 - since odds are one or two overs will fall and you'll just c/f.
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Old 02-19-2007, 01:20 PM
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OP - I think TT is in good shape agains the range of a 22% PFR, but when you just call you're turning the hand into 33 - since odds are one or two overs will fall and you'll just c/f.

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First of all, thanks for your answers. Those were the kind I was looking for. What do you think is the calling range for the LAG player? The fish might call us with any crap, but do you cbet against the LAG on the flop. What if he calls or raises?
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Old 02-19-2007, 01:21 PM
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Default Re: Facing a pre-flop raise OOP (theorish)

as long as your doing something other than just c/f-ing always w. 33 postflop, i dont think calling is too big of a deal. (donking nice flops like T56 or c/r-ing/c/c-ing whatever).
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Old 02-19-2007, 01:23 PM
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Default Re: Facing a pre-flop raise OOP (theorish)

I'm not sure what the calling range for a LAG would be to a reraise, but I imagine it's many pairs and big aces - and I would venture we're probably not in great shape if called. However, I repop because I think often he will not call and I'll win preflop. If we just call, we're pretty much always giving up the pot on the flop. If I get 4bet I fold, and if he calls I may or may not cbet flop depending on the board, and probably moreso depending on my previous 3betting frequency.
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Old 02-19-2007, 01:20 PM
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Hand 2:

a) I'm finding the fold button here. I see most of you don't, but when I see people calling UTG raise in this spot with 2+2ish stats it screams out small PP. Implied odds just are not there if the villain is any good.


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Are you serious with this statement? Your in the BB, and you are paying 2.5BB's for a chance at a set. So to breakeven you need to hit for 20BB's which at this level is $40.00. Your implied odds are better here with a UTG raiser than a button/CO raiser. I think this is an easy call from the Big Blind with any low PP.

And since you mention that anyone with 2+2 stats screams pp and you can get away from it, you should be able to represent big hands on some flops as well to mix up your play. Call and play poker.
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