(27) KK versus probable AA

[Pudge714]

Preflop is fine, but you need to shove this flop.

[Kibby]

Pudge-

Could you please elaborate? I don't get why you wouldn't want to shove this PF. Are we trying to trap weaker hands?

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Preflop is fine, but you need to shove this flop.

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[Sparta45]

When you have KK, you will be better off not analyzing it and just shoving it.

[wiggs73]

"I don't get why you wouldn't want to shove this PF."

Because the 1 hand that he's behind calls a shove.
Because a lot of the hands he's ahead of don't, but they do put more chips in on a lot of flops.

[TruFloridaGator]

The thing about not pushing is you give a lot of hands a chance to get away from their hand on the flop and get a lot less value. What happens if he has QQ,JJ and an A flops? You miss out on a lot of value & risk losing the hand. Same thing if a K flops, you aren't going to get as much action. Same for AK,AQ if they miss the flop. Calling is a much better option at higher levels because people will fold out a lot of worse hands that donks at 16s won't fold. People at 16s will re-raise with even worse hands then I just listed & you don't want to give them a chance to get away from their hand.

[TruFloridaGator]

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"I don't get why you wouldn't want to shove this PF."

Because the 1 hand that he's behind calls a shove.


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This logic sucks because you're almost always going broke on the flop to AA anyway.

[Pudge714]

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Pudge-

Could you please elaborate? I don't get why you wouldn't want to shove this PF. Are we trying to trap weaker hands?

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Preflop is fine, but you need to shove this flop.

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It just doesn't matter that much. If I knew this guy would be full pot cbetting I would definitely just call.

[Sparta45]

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The thing about not pushing is you give a lot of hands a chance to get away from their hand on the flop and get a lot less value. What happens if he has QQ,JJ and an A flops? You miss out on a lot of value & risk losing the hand. Same thing if a K flops, you aren't going to get as much action. Same for AK,AQ if they miss the flop. Calling is a much better option at higher levels because people will fold out a lot of worse hands that donks at 16s won't fold. People at 16s will re-raise with even worse hands then I just listed & you don't want to give them a chance to get away from their hand.

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BINGO....we have a winner

[BUTNAHHHH]

he wouldnt bet 510 on the flop if he had QQ, hes given u two opportunities to get the money in , DOOO ITTTTT

[alex-star]

Dude, please re-raise pf, not necessarily all-in, you can make it 500 to go. On the flop, I push all-in, not much you can do, even though it does look like AA without clubs as played on the flop.