Stupid little hand - Page 2

TheWorstPlayer · #11 02-14-2007, 10:51 AM

i dont care that he had quads. i wanted to know if my flop/turn line sucked. jason says yes, everyone else says no, thanks. that was it.

CopTHIS · #12 02-14-2007, 10:53 AM

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i dont care that he had quads. i wanted to know if my flop/turn line sucked. jason says yes, everyone else says no, thanks. that was it.

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It would be rediculous for anyone to say this line sucked.

SexWithSocksOn · #13 02-14-2007, 10:54 AM

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i dont care that he had quads. i wanted to know if my flop/turn line sucked. jason says yes, everyone else says no, thanks. that was it.

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It would be rediculous for anyone to say this line sucked.

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I'm not a big fan of check/calling OOP with a set... but that's just me. I check raise that flop 90% and donk into it about 10%.

CopTHIS · #14 02-14-2007, 11:02 AM

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i dont care that he had quads. i wanted to know if my flop/turn line sucked. jason says yes, everyone else says no, thanks. that was it.

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It would be rediculous for anyone to say this line sucked.

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I'm not a big fan of check/calling OOP with a set... but that's just me. I check raise that flop 90% and donk into it about 10%.

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Obviously the value in a c/r largely depends on whether you also make that play with draws and sometimes air. If you never do, other than perhaps monster 2-way draws, and villian knows that then c/r doesn't get much value beyond picking off the c-bet most times. Also, if you like to c/c the flop and lead the turn sometimes when you think villian is full of [censored] then it's another reason to take this line sometmes.

Personally I'd c/r quite often, lead fairly often and c/c sometimes.

TheWorstPlayer · #15 02-14-2007, 11:07 AM

This is a common line for me with draws (that hit on the turn), one pair hands that are likely to be ahead, and occasionally sets. I think I balance it pretty well, but I don't really know...

Heimdal · #16 02-14-2007, 11:13 AM

Fine if you want to mix it up. Turn bet is mandatory

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This time I tried to take a c/c, lead approach.

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Were you leading a blank turn? That line is so good against some opponents.

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I assume c/r on the river is standard, or do people lead again. I figured that he would fold an overpair if I lead again, but that he might value bet it if I checked and he would definitely commit himself with a flush. And he might bluff if he had a missed high flush draw on the turn. Yes?

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I would bet the river. His most likely hand is an overpair and i think he will check behind very often. He shouldnt valuebet an overpair because of the turn call and because the hands an overpair want a call from would have bluffed the river.
And I think a flush draw is unlikely with the turn call.

Against some opponents c/r is fine

TheWorstPlayer · #17 02-14-2007, 11:21 AM

I was definitely leading a turn blank, although probably smaller than this. And he's a solid TAG regular. I figured he'd drop an overpair on the river, but would value bet it against a smaller overpair (it would be hard for me to fold in case he were bluffing a missed flush draw) and I also thought he might bluff an actual missed flush draw. Why do you say flush draw is unlikely with the turn call? Because the bet is too big? I thought he might have taken one off with AK with a diamond, thinking diamonds are good, and aces and kings are often good, and he might be able to pick up the pot on the river if I check or make a small blocking bet. That's probably what I would do, at least against some opponents.

Requin · #18 02-14-2007, 11:34 AM

Yeah I should point out that with your image, I think not getting more money in on the flop is far from optimal. I meant that this line in general is reasonable and I like the river CR.

TheWorstPlayer · #19 02-14-2007, 11:45 AM

True. My image, especially to Psier, is probably pretty nuts. I don't always think about that enough. Thanks.

Heimdal · #20 02-14-2007, 11:45 AM

IMO its a leak to call a pot bet on turn with something like AdK.

I would fold a flush draw on turn and I think most solid TAG's would too. We don't want to get into river spots like this.

"How much value do I get if I river a flush?
Should I call a bet if I river an ace or a king and should I valuebet if checked to?
And do I want to bluff if opponent blocks or checks?
Yikes, it's much easier just to fold. At best the situation is very marginal +ev."
That's just how I would think.