AKo, tough board, tough reg

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I don't play 200NL but betting the flop seems like a must.

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Really? It just looks like a lot of turn cards will scare us. Are we checking here for pot control?

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Only 3 K's scare us, and still not *that* much.

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im not really scared of a K,

[DaCooler]

Ugh, usually with that river bet your looking at AK JJ or 1010 but you still have to call...

[Jay Riall]

Very standard.

[Rotterdaum]

I thought it was standard but I had some doubts about this hand.

Very non standard doubts too.

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Well folding is obv not right. he can be vb AQ/AK and theres a lot he can be bluffing, as your hands obv doesnt look too strong.

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This is what i'm particularly curious about. First off, I'm not yet advocating a river fold, but just thinking about it. What exactly does a solid reg call a reraise with out of position? I have respect for this player btw.

Basically I don't think there's a lot he can be bluffing the river with. Also, I think it's not OFTEN that he'd bet the river like this w/ AQ (reason being, most things AQ beats fold to this kind of a bet) and AQ isn't even a considerable part of his range.

So the question here is almost "is JJ/TT a bigger part of his range than AK/AQ/bluffs given this action?" and I thikn it's close

is this of interest at all?


PS: PM box cleaned up

[luckybacon]

It seems like JJ/1010 are a huge part of his range if he is solid.
And I wish i would see this type of hand b4 i 3barrelled you

[Rotterdaum]

I don't think this hand is very relevant to the spot we had today [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

[drewvy]

I like it...looks like a loose call AJ or AXs, JJ/TT AK/AQ,
I don't see a spot to raise

[writser]

I'm curious, what were your reasons to check the flop? I see:

- Pot control
- Inducing a bluff by representing KK / QQ (but would you check these on the flop?)
- Gutshot

I agree, you are only afraid of the three left K's. But from what hands do you think you get more value by checking the flop?

The problem here is that you have no clue at all about where you stand in the hand. Villain might have a FH, straight. Do you think that villain would bet the river with QQ / KK? Against any reasonable villain you only beat AQ. I'd probably bet flop + turn myself to find out where I am in the hand. Comments?

[BlackAMEX]

I think this hand is very interesting to be honest and agree with rotterdaum that the river decision deserves more thought.

To start, I like the flop check alot. Very standard in this spot. So is the turn call.

River is tricky. Everyone is saying 'we have to call'. Why? Sure we have trips + TK, but if we are still a massive dog to his river betting range here, I don't see why we should call. Really, we're praying he has AQ here, or AK for the split - and I would be surprised if he turned up with AQ here after calling a PFR oop (although I don't know the player personally). I also highly doubt he would bluff this board after your turn call - maybe KK would have a stab on the turn, but I am confident it would not lead river, rather check/call.

My conclusion would be that we are beat alot here - you see 10s or JJ ALOT here. From his betting actions I just don't see us beating alot of his range.

This isn't necessarily to say I'm advocating a fold - your hand is still strong, but I think I'd tank and go with my gut on this one personally.

[writser]

Why is the flop check standard? Isn't it very suspicious if we check here? Would you check here with KK? QQ? AA? 78s?

I agree that you want to keep the pot small for pot control. So why don't we bet the flop and check the turn behind?