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02-10-2007, 08:06 PM
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Re: \"Unions\" for dealers?
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I think a dealers union would be a terrible idea. What would they do, force the place to pay dealers more? That means the rake would have to go up to compensate. [/ QUOTE ] Pay rate is not the only issue a union can address. Issues like job security, how and when an employee can be disciplined, the ratio between full-time and extra board positions are all significant issues that can be addressed. [ QUOTE ] Imo, dealers are better to be paid according to how good they are. Ie...tips. [/ QUOTE ] Tips are not merit pay. The best dealers aren't necessarily the dealers earning the most. In fact today's inexperienced players often don't recognize what makes a dealer good. Sure being fast gets more hands out and that helps generate tips, but there are are plenty of players out there who think the best dealers are the guys who tell them jokes and "have personality". And of course attractice women make more -- is that because they are all better dealers? Don't get me wrong, I don't mind working for tips. Bu do object to people confusing the idea of being a good tip earner and a good dealer. 
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#12
02-10-2007, 08:29 PM
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Re: \"Unions\" for dealers?
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Under the Culinary's master contract, waiters are guaranteed $10.14 an hour before tips, the highest rate in the nation. In Las Vegas, unionized hotel housekeepers generally earn $11.95 an hour, 50 percent more than in nonunion Reno. The Culinary contract guarantees workers 40 hours' pay each week, meaning housekeepers earn at least $478 a week, while in other cities housekeepers often work 30 hours and earn just $240. The Culinary's workers pay no premiums for health care, and they often pay just $10 for a dentist's visit, while nonunion workers often pay upwards of $150. [/ QUOTE ] 2004 NY Times article on Culinary Local 226 of Las Vegas. Do dealers have that good of health care? Guaranteed 40 hrs? $10+ per hour before tips? No union?
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#13
02-10-2007, 08:45 PM
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Re: \"Unions\" for dealers?
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[ QUOTE ] Under the Culinary's master contract, waiters are guaranteed $10.14 an hour before tips, the highest rate in the nation. In Las Vegas, unionized hotel housekeepers generally earn $11.95 an hour, 50 percent more than in nonunion Reno. The Culinary contract guarantees workers 40 hours' pay each week, meaning housekeepers earn at least $478 a week, while in other cities housekeepers often work 30 hours and earn just $240. The Culinary's workers pay no premiums for health care, and they often pay just $10 for a dentist's visit, while nonunion workers often pay upwards of $150. [/ QUOTE ] 2004 NY Times article on Culinary Local 226 of Las Vegas. Do dealers have that good of health care? Guaranteed 40 hrs? $10+ per hour before tips? No union? [/ QUOTE ] I would take a look at places where dealers are unionized (or maybe the couple in Vegas that are/were). A union has no negotiating power when there are a lot more people that want the job that feel no loyalty to the union. The culinary union is very strong and I would not compare that to dealing at all.
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#14
02-10-2007, 09:17 PM
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Re: \"Unions\" for dealers?
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Under the Culinary's master contract, waiters are guaranteed $10.14 an hour before tips, the highest rate in the nation. In Las Vegas, unionized hotel housekeepers generally earn $11.95 an hour, 50 percent more than in nonunion Reno. The Culinary contract guarantees workers 40 hours' pay each week, meaning housekeepers earn at least $478 a week, while in other cities housekeepers often work 30 hours and earn just $240. The Culinary's workers pay no premiums for health care, and they often pay just $10 for a dentist's visit, while nonunion workers often pay upwards of $150. [/ QUOTE ] 2004 NY Times article on Culinary Local 226 of Las Vegas. Do dealers have that good of health care? Guaranteed 40 hrs? $10+ per hour before tips? No union? [/ QUOTE ] I would take a look at places where dealers are unionized (or maybe the couple in Vegas that are/were). A union has no negotiating power when there are a lot more people that want the job that feel no loyalty to the union. The culinary union is very strong and I would not compare that to dealing at all. [/ QUOTE ] I'm not sure why you think cocktail waitresses are that different than dealers in that regard. Those jobs are in high demand.
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#15
02-10-2007, 09:47 PM
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Re: \"Unions\" for dealers?
I don't really like the idea of a union but I'd fight for a union at Foxwoods if it didn't mean me losing my job.
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#16
02-10-2007, 09:57 PM
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Re: \"Unions\" for dealers?
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Under the Culinary's master contract, waiters are guaranteed $10.14 an hour before tips, the highest rate in the nation. In Las Vegas, unionized hotel housekeepers generally earn $11.95 an hour, 50 percent more than in nonunion Reno. The Culinary contract guarantees workers 40 hours' pay each week, meaning housekeepers earn at least $478 a week, while in other cities housekeepers often work 30 hours and earn just $240. The Culinary's workers pay no premiums for health care, and they often pay just $10 for a dentist's visit, while nonunion workers often pay upwards of $150. [/ QUOTE ] 2004 NY Times article on Culinary Local 226 of Las Vegas. Do dealers have that good of health care? Guaranteed 40 hrs? $10+ per hour before tips? No union? [/ QUOTE ] I would take a look at places where dealers are unionized (or maybe the couple in Vegas that are/were). A union has no negotiating power when there are a lot more people that want the job that feel no loyalty to the union. The culinary union is very strong and I would not compare that to dealing at all. [/ QUOTE ] I'm not sure why you think cocktail waitresses are that different than dealers in that regard. Those jobs are in high demand. [/ QUOTE ] Well it has been many years since I studied labor economics. If I were to take a guess I would say it is because young women that look good in those uniforms have a good earning potential in other ventures; that is their next best alternative is higher than most dealers' next best alternative so they can demand a higher wage. I haven't looked at this stuff in ages, but if I ever go back for a PhD this would be an interesting research topic. edit to add: Nice one, my wife walked up as I was posting that and thinks I should quit poker and go back to economics.
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#17
02-10-2007, 11:22 PM
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Re: \"Unions\" for dealers?
I am a Union Construction worker..and I know if the Union faltered, I would be F'd
I could see it being positive thing for dealers. I dont really think they(unions) would go in and bully around the casinos every year demanding pay raises...but it could provide better benefits, better scheduling(ie seniority), and keep management from f'n people around.
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#18
02-11-2007, 12:47 AM
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Re: \"Unions\" for dealers?
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I am a Union Construction worker..and I know if the Union faltered, I would be F'd I could see it being positive thing for dealers. I dont really think they(unions) would go in and bully around the casinos every year demanding pay raises... [/ QUOTE ] And that's because unions never do that? [ QUOTE ] but it could provide better benefits, better scheduling(ie seniority), and keep management from f'n people around. [/ QUOTE ] Obviously they have to get an increase at least equal to what the unions dues cost. Benefits are very expensive. Probably more than the salary costs, if they get traditional full benefits. All those costs have to come out of somewhere. Guess what, it's not going to be the comparatively meager poker profits. So the rake goes up, business dips a bit, and everyone (except the unions) loses.
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#19
02-11-2007, 06:09 AM
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Re: \"Unions\" for dealers?
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The casino I work for already does everything by seniority [/ QUOTE ] This is a foolish system IMHO, but it IS how things were done in our room as well for years and years. A crappy dealer who's been around forever gets the best shifts when a great dealer who's been there a few months less gets a worse one? Doesn't seem too fair to me. We now have a rating system in place. This is one of the HUGE issues our dealers have right now. The highest score gets to choose their schedule. The next highest score chooses next, etc., etc. If you're on the bottom, you get a part time shift and a few brush shifts. Improve before the next rating and you can improve your schedule. You're simply rated on your performance. Anything wrong with that? I think that's how most of the working world works, no? Except union workers of course (like 12% or so of the workforce in the US). If you're a quarterback who's been on the team 5 years, but you suck bigtime, do you get to start even though the rookie QB kicks ass and can run circles around you? Of course not.
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#20
02-11-2007, 06:20 AM
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Re: \"Unions\" for dealers?
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at Wynn Las Vegas we have management gettiung in on the Pit dealers tokes. [/ QUOTE ] Management is not allowed to "get into" any dealer tokes. The Floor can't even accept tips from players here...it's a state law. For management, it's what the company pays you, nothing else. [ QUOTE ] At the WSOP we had Harrah's not pay us when we were promised and deny us a toke committee so that we could even make sure that we were getting all we had coming to us. [/ QUOTE ] Total BS. Get an lawyer and sue their ass if you think you got screwed. [ QUOTE ] Many rooms are only hiring part-timers so that they can save on benefits. [/ QUOTE ] The majority of our dealers are full time employees who receive full benefits just like everyone else in the casino.
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