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Old 02-05-2007, 05:53 PM
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Default Re: AK NL50 facing flop push

Let's see...he re-raised PF, flop is Kxx, he bet/3-bet all-in. At BEST you're splitting and I think almost all the time you're toast here. I fold.
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Old 02-05-2007, 05:57 PM
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Default Re: AK NL50 facing flop push

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If you're gonna fold this flop then just fold pf.

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IMHO this is a tourney-donk kind of statement. Risking your stack on TPTK is something I've learned to avoid. At least in 50NL, when someone plays the flop like this, they have TP beat.
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Old 02-05-2007, 06:02 PM
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Default Re: AK NL50 facing flop push

This is a RR pot. I will go broke all day with TPTK in a RR pot. Yes he could have AA/KK but I cant lay it down. I just smoothcall the flop to induce a second barrel against this type of opponent.
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Old 02-05-2007, 06:07 PM
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This is a RR pot. I will go broke all day with TPTK in a RR pot.

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And what kinds of hands do you think he's re-raising OOP here? Which of those hands do we beat when he re-raises the Kxx flop?
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Old 02-05-2007, 06:25 PM
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Default Re: AK NL50 facing flop push

Why OP raises this flop I have no idea, but once he does, we're gonna fold? Think of how many times someone cant lay down QQ here. You stick in 1/2 of your stack and then fold?
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Old 02-05-2007, 06:41 PM
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Default Re: AK NL50 facing flop push

Calling a reraise pf in bad position is questionable at best, imo.
Add to that, that AK would prefer to see all 5 cards, I'd rather push than call.

Of course this depends on what you think SB's pf reraise range is and what he'll call a push with.
Do the math and profit next time round.
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Old 02-06-2007, 11:50 AM
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Default Re: AK NL50 facing flop push

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Calling a reraise pf in bad position is questionable at best, imo.
Add to that, that AK would prefer to see all 5 cards, I'd rather push than call.

Of course this depends on what you think SB's pf reraise range is and what he'll call a push with.
Do the math and profit next time round.

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I like the push over the call as well pf. I'm torn between folding and pushing though.
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Old 02-06-2007, 12:15 PM
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Default Re: AK NL50 facing flop push

With such a dry board, I think we are either way ahead or way behind (of both players). I like a call on the flop and then re-evaluate on the turn.

If we are behind, I'd think he would have AA (I think KK would slowplay on such a dry flop). I think if he has AA, then we are not deep enough to avoid going broke on this hand (though I'd be happy to be proven wrong).

If we are ahead, and he has a hand like QQ I doubt that he would fire another large bet at the pot on the turn.
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Old 02-06-2007, 12:22 PM
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Default Re: AK NL50 facing flop push

Mr Jones,

I completely agree with you. We are getting 2 to 1 here and I don't think we winning enough to make this profitable.
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Old 02-06-2007, 12:36 PM
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Default Re: AK NL50 facing flop push

Hero is getting a little over 3:1 on the flop call not 2:1. Also, I highly doubt SB's 3betting range is as tight as posters are saying. That LAG raises a lot and even though we don't know how light he may be 3betting, in general, it is lighter than the norm. How light, I don't know. I also don't know if he is positionally aware and if that means his 3bet from the SB should carry more weight. Either way, I think KQ and KJs are definitely in villain's range. Whether he plays those hands postflop as in this hand, I'm not sure but I'm not putting this LAG on AA, KK's and AK only pf.

In the hand, I think calling the flop is best. That is one dry flop and UTG should fold most hands that he misses anyways.
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