22: Hero an idiot or a genius with this call

[Kano]

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I think it's terrible. Why can he not have Ax of spades and have been on the flush draw?

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The donks love limping with these hands

[graydot]

I dont see why its a bad call if you made the proper read?

Since when do you consider the proper read, no matter how redicluous a bad call.

the board could be AKQJ3 and you called down 22 because you had the proper read on him, congrats

[tigerite]

Ok maybe I was a bit harsh with terrible, but I'd need a really super ninja read to call here.

[checkers777]

I agree with others here, if you think he is full of it, you have to raise.

This is one of those hands where if you had lost you would never have posted this.

[SABR42]

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At a $22? No they don't always raise pf. They SHOULD but these are donks man. They don't think like we do.

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While I agree that most players at the 22's are donks, it doesn't mean they don't think at all. Almost all of them think (often incorrectly but thinking) to some degree, and thinking along their lines can lead to making correct decisions in tough spots like this.

Now I'm not saying calling here is definitely correct, but that it CAN be. Sure he could have been on the flush draw and is now pushing his "accidentally" rivered top pair, it's possible. Is that more likely than a whiffed draw? That's read-dependant. If HERO puts villain's range at high% bluff calling has to be correct.

[Jshuttlesworth]

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Ok maybe I was a bit harsh with terrible, but I'd need a really super ninja read to call here.

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ZZzzZzz. READs... OK sorry. I can't call here. I fold turn and preserve your stack. However, I don't agree with the "fold or push on turn" crowd. You don't get called by worse hands. There's no reason you can't expect to go check-check on the river if he doesn't have anything.

[11t]

Yah I agree, I think the river call is apoor and he got lucky but I still say check/raise the turn of let your hand go

[A_Junglen]

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Yah I agree, I think the river call is apoor and he got lucky but I still say check/raise the turn of let your hand go

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Checkraising did go through my head, but I opted to call and see the river. Very questionable, specifically when I think I have the best hand at that point. Also how did I "get lucky". I'm not calling if a card I'm not a fan of lands.

[11t]

3/4 of the deck you don't want to see on the river

Check/raising the turn is by far the most optimal way to play this if you truly think you are ahead (which I can see how one could come to such a conclusion)

You have a weak hand and the pot is big

[SABR42]

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Very read dependent hand. Had put villain on about Q-10, specifically when he bet 250 on the turn (extreme weakness). The river check was indeed to induce a bluff. How nuts am I?

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You answered your own question in the first sentence.

Read-dependant. If you have a good read it's not nuts at all to call the river. When picking off a bluff it doesn't matter whether you have 9-2 offsuit or A-K here. A bluff is a bluff. Since you tried to induce a bluff on the river you should be more inclined to call if you think he's bluffing because that was your goal in the first place (to induce a bluff).

A while ago I made a pretty ridiculous call somewhat similar to this, except I called a bigger bet on the river, and I didn't even have a pair. [img]/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img]

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