I've got a boat but wtf has he got?

[unterfish]

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I bet/call the river. FH vs. FH is rare.

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The reason I didn't consider betting is 'cause I don't think villain ever checks the river thru here.

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Yes. Didnt realise that. So I like a c/r/c better.

[TheHip41]

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I bet/call the river. FH vs. FH is rare.

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The reason I didn't consider betting is 'cause I don't think villain ever checks the river thru here.

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it's not about the villian not betting, it's about not putting in 3BB on the river after putting in 4 on the turn. This is not a fish we are dealing with.

If you c/r this river, and get 3bet, you will be losing almost always, but can't fold

Bet/calling puts in two bets, which is better than 1, and much better than 3.

[milesdyson]

I don't see how putting in 2 bets is any better than 3. You're screwed just about as much when he raises your bet vs. when he 3-bets your check raise. The only difference is the ratio between the bets you win and lose. 3:2 is better than 2:1, so checking the river is better unless he reacts amazingly different to a bet vs. a check raise (hint: he won't).

The decision really is between check calling and check raising. I think he has a ten or straight often enough to take the 3:2 deal. Calling a 3-bet hurts, but so does calling a raise if you bet. It's just cool when you get two bets out of KT or a straight, which won't happen if you lead after his turn cap.

[Heisenb3rg]

C/R then call a 3-bet, I have no doubt in my mind.

J9, QT, QQ, 88 are all played like this 100% of the time

17 combinations you beat
6 combinations you don't beat

Add in some AT's, a few way over played AA/KK's now and again and I think playing it any other way is clearly inferior.

[Superman26gt]

dude his af is 10 with normal vpip and pf #'s. I like the way you played it. I c/r the river and call his 3 bet..a cap is too much for me here.

I say 65% of the time he has either J9 or Q10 here.

[akvsaq]

I think you can beat a lot of hands he would play this way. You are losing to QQ, QT, Q8. You are ahead of J9, Tx, perhaps an overaggressive player may get carried away w/ K [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]J [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] . In any case, there are a lot more combinations of hands that can't beat yours. He will almost certainly bet the river if you check, I see a turn cap for free SD as a rare play. I would check/raise the river and call a 3B.