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Old 01-17-2007, 07:40 AM
martybonus martybonus is offline
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Default Re: AA against aggressive reraiser.

:grunch:

hard to read him, you said he was an aggressive re-raiser so his 3bet pre-flop is less than informative. You're right to cap here.

I also think the bet on the flop is fine, you might have considered raising this too. If he capped you on the flop, you might have had a bit more information...a cap here might be signalling he has pocket 2's or even something random like A8s or K8s. an odd holding like this might be reasonable if he's an aggressive raiser.

again, the bet on the turn is fine but 3betting him might make sense here as well. if he caps on the turn, you're probably beat.

By the river, you're fairly well trapped. You're pot committed and now there's a completed flush draw in addition to the flop and turn, which he bet. I suspect he flopped a set and has been value betting you on every turn. If you had 3bet him earlier, you'd be able to tell if he's got that set and you coulda layed down your bullets. but now it's a bit too late. I don't think you have any choice but to call as it's a single bet...
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Old 01-17-2007, 08:18 AM
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Default Re: AA against aggressive reraiser.

Marty,

with the stats Hero had, you can't put him on 22 or A8 on the flop. That's MUBS (therefore, he definitely hasn't "flopped" a set. He might have turned a set with KK, but he'll HIGHLY unlikely have 22 or A8 here).
People that 3bet 22 or A8s/K8s pf, usually hava a lot higher pfr% than 9, even after such a small sample as 20 hands.
3betting the flop is therefore pretty much a must as even AK or similar will raise you here, figuring that it'll be as hard to connect ot the board for you as it is for them. So, they're only behind a PP.

3betting the turn is less clear. His raise here doesn't smell too good anymore. He'll not do this with QQ, for example, which he probably would have played this way pf and on the flop. So you're either way ahead AK - and that by a huge margin (he has 2 outs) or way behind KK.
WA/WB on the turn and river - call down, you can't fold anyway.
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Old 01-17-2007, 08:38 AM
mmctrab mmctrab is offline
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Default Re: AA against aggressive reraiser.

Yeah, I should have said cap the flop. That's certainly an interesting way for villain to play AK.
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Old 01-17-2007, 12:03 PM
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Default Re: AA against aggressive reraiser.

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That's certainly an interesting way for villain to play AK.

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I havent seen too many stranger ways.

If his object was disguising his hand, it certainly worked!
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Old 01-17-2007, 01:37 PM
fretelöo fretelöo is offline
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Default Re: AA against aggressive reraiser.

Did he really play that bad? I've been thinking about this hand today.

PF: fine.
Flop: This raise will work against a majority of villain's (aka "Hero") range. If nothing else, it might get him to the river cheaply against JJ, for example. As both had only 20-odd hands with each other, he could see you capping with JJ+, AQ+, maybe even TT. Raising that flop will induce in many of those holdings worries about an overpair. So I don't think his raise here was particularily bad.
Turn: Of course. Putting you on AA is MUBS, so a raise is certainly not terrible again.
River: Of course.

So, I was thinking that maybe a 3bet on the turn would have been called for, as his line looks as either AK or KK and there are 12 possible AK configurations, but only 3 KK configurations left. So if he's raising the turn with AK more than 25% of the time (which I think is a definite YES), it's +EV 3betting, no?
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Old 01-17-2007, 05:42 PM
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Default Re: AA against aggressive reraiser.

The more I think about it the more I see that you're probably right. I suppose it's because that sort of trickiness isn't something I'm into just yet.
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Old 01-17-2007, 05:47 PM
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Default Re: AA against aggressive reraiser.

*grunch*

Reraise that flop! Villain does not have an 8, or else he would not be 3-betting preflop. Depending on his flop and turn actions then, I either 3-bet or call down from the turn raise.
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