Never take chances on the bubble

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call

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fnurt! long time no see.


i'm all in, and don't like a stop-and-go.

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Would anyone consider a stop and go here?

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very doubtful with your stack size. i just push and pray for a double up.

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Not sure what you mean here, because my stack size is actually excellent to make a meaningful bet on the flop. I just think a stop and go is almost never right with a medium pair, regardless of the situation. I've never managed to bring the forum around to this way of thinking, though.

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Would anyone consider a stop and go here?

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very doubtful with your stack size. i just push and pray for a double up.

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Not sure what you mean here, because my stack size is actually excellent to make a meaningful bet on the flop. I just think a stop and go is almost never right with a medium pair, regardless of the situation. I've never managed to bring the forum around to this way of thinking, though.

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well it's been accepted as common sense since you've been gone

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can one or more of you please explain to me why a stop and go is not good here, please. thank you.

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you allow villain to play perfectly by folding hands that you beat and calling with everything that beats you

[PokrLikeItsProse]

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you allow villain to play perfectly by folding hands that you beat and calling with everything that beats you

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I thought that was sort of the point of a stop and go. Instead of giving your opponent five cards to beat you, you only give him three and get him to fold hands that might outdraw you. You give up some pot size when you do win to maximize the probability that you do win the pot when your stack is relatively small.

A stop and go makes the most sense when your stack size is such that you can still make a hand with outs fold with a flop bet, but you don't have enough to force an incorrect fold pre-flop if your opponent has two overcards. Arguably, this is such a situation.

[registrar]

Ideally, for a stop and go, you want a hand and situation in which:

1. You have next to no fold equity pre-flop - that isn't the case here.
2. You're going to a slight favourite or big dog if called pre-flop - that is the case here.
3. You can fold out better hands after the flop - that isn't usually the case here unless villain has 88 and you flop three broadway cards.

I don't think a stop and go here is as bad as other posters are implying but I don't think it generates sufficient additional equity to be a better option that simply pushing pre-flop.

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you allow villain to play perfectly by folding hands that you beat and calling with everything that beats you

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This has been discussed before. Don't SNG with 77. You only get called by a higher pair. Make the play with a real small pair, high cards, or a suited connector.

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well it's been accepted as common sense since you've been gone

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This makes my day, seriously. On the other hand, maybe I should feel bad that I beat this drum for years and wasn't able to persuade everyone myself.