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Old 01-04-2007, 02:10 AM
Coz Coz is offline
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Default Re: 4/180: I have no idea what to make of this preflop action

I think that the CO might have sensed weakness in your bet since you didn't put him all in and may be trying to isolate. I put villians range on 55+ A7+ or KJ-KQ, I think that his range is pretty big since guys in these tourneys love to shove with any ace or any pair. I think that I would call.
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Old 01-04-2007, 02:16 AM
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Default Re: 4/180: I have no idea what to make of this preflop action

yeah disregard earlier post

This is a call
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Old 01-04-2007, 03:15 AM
J.A.K. J.A.K. is offline
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Default Re: 4/180: I have no idea what to make of this preflop action

Well, since I really suck I may as well stick to my guns that this is a slowplayed big pair.

I can see overplaying a mid pair but iso shoving w/ KJ, A7? Pretty nuanced for $4
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Old 01-04-2007, 03:28 AM
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Default Re: 4/180: I have no idea what to make of this preflop action

For a weak player (I'm assuming CO) this play stinks of 55-99 just about every time. Even crummy players raise AA-QQ and AK in that position usually. And with regards to above poster, yes people will make this play with KJ in $4 tournies since they will make it in $20s as well.
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Old 01-04-2007, 03:56 AM
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Default Re: 4/180: I have no idea what to make of this preflop action

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Well, since I really suck I may as well stick to my guns that this is a slowplayed big pair.

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Fair enough. But, wouldn't a slowplayed big pair who limped the first time around want to at least pick up the sb's extra 130, rather than blow them out of the pot entirely.

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I can see overplaying a mid pair but iso shoving w/ KJ, A7? Pretty nuanced for $4

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I am the very model of a microlimit megadonk, but I will nuance your [censored] with a pancake and lugnut in this spot if I think it'll work. So it's not out of the realm of consideration.

However, maybe it'll help if you don't think of it as an isolation. Maybe the villain doesn't think in those particular strategic terms, but players try to push other players out of pots all the time without considering proper strategy, nuanced or otherwise.

CO's range is wide enough. I believe it's a call.

For what it's worth, I don't think your opinion indicates that you suck.

D.
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Old 01-04-2007, 04:38 AM
SuperUberBob SuperUberBob is offline
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Default Re: 4/180: I have no idea what to make of this preflop action

Anyways, I did call.

And those who said that the limper slowplayed a big pair are correct. The limper did in fact have AA while BB had K3o.

The aces held and I lost the pot.

I had the same though that most of you had: that the limper had either a small pair or Ax often enough for me to call.

In that tournament, three different players at three different tables slowplayed pocket aces against me and in each hand I got crushed.
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Old 01-04-2007, 06:27 AM
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Default Re: 4/180: I have no idea what to make of this preflop action

That's a definite call. Don't worry too much about this particular outcome. The possibility of him limp-raising with AA-JJ is more than offset by the possibility of him isolating with a smaller pair (in terms of your EV).
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Old 01-04-2007, 01:17 PM
Jiggymike Jiggymike is offline
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Default Re: 4/180: I have no idea what to make of this preflop action

LRRing with AA in the CO is a terrible play since it becomes much less likely that anyone is going to raise. Don't feel awful about rewarding his terrible play, his range is much greater than AA-JJ only.
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Old 01-04-2007, 01:36 PM
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Default Re: 4/180: I have no idea what to make of this preflop action

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I am the very model of a microlimit megadonk

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Wow... a Gilbert & Sullivan reference in the MTT forum (and a great one at that!)

vvnh sir
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Old 01-04-2007, 02:14 PM
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Default Re: 4/180: I have no idea what to make of this preflop action

yeah, i would agree that with his position, I wouldn't expect to see stuff like that limped. Then again, I myself have been a victim of limping big pair in later position in hopes that my opponent would flop something big enough to warrant a raise so that I can push with it. Most of the time that I see this happening, is with someone who has a low stack and just hopes to attempt to get more money into the pot though before they push.
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