In Search of Villain's Hand Range. Then, the Correct Raise. FT 200

[epdaws]

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Why didn't you bet this flop?

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I was happy to peel in a 3-way pot here. I'll bet it often (and I'll b/3b against some opponents), but a bet is very likely to get called if 1) BB is slowplaying a big hand, or has a Q, or 2) UTG has a pair of anything.

And I knew I could get paid with a good turn.

[epdaws]

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call.

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How often does the BB have a whiffed flop C/R in the form of a set? How often does he have a smaller flush? How often does he have air or TP?

I figured calling was a disaster based on my estimation of his range, but that's why I posted. I don't think a set folds here. Nor does a flush. But both can get off the river.

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Why do you think they get off on the river but not the turn?

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Sets have high hopes of boating up. They struggle to find the fold button with another card to come. When it whiffs, they're more likely to give it up.

UTG could easily be on a heart draw and willing to call more. He could be on a Q. He'll fold the river when he fails to improve.

[RiDiK]

If you're going to raise this in the sb (which you don't necessarily HAVE to) you really should bet this flop. You have a huge hand, get more value out of it plus find out where others are at a little better.

As played I shove turn

[epdaws]

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If you're going to raise this in the sb (which you don't necessarily HAVE to) you really should bet this flop. You have a huge hand, get more value out of it plus find out where others are at a little better.

As played I shove turn

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I was not in the SB, fwiw.

[aces_dad]

Hero raised from MP not SB.

Also checking behind a strong draw on the flop when it is usually bet can confuse villians.

I think a smallish raise to 90 should both enable a river push and give UTG a good chance to call, BB will have a flush or set here a lot.

[4_2_it]

Min-raise FTW! A set is always calling a turn push, but maybe the donkey with TP or two-pair will come along with the min-raise. River [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] is the only thing I hate to see.

[epdaws]

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Min-raise FTW! A set is always calling a turn push, but maybe the donkey with TP or two-pair will come along with the min-raise. River [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] is the only thing I hate to see.

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Well, a paired board would not be so good...

[4_2_it]

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Min-raise FTW! A set is always calling a turn push, but maybe the donkey with TP or two-pair will come along with the min-raise. River [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] is the only thing I hate to see.

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Well, a paired board would not be so good...

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Yea, but nobody is getting away from one so you may as well keep the guy without a set in the hand as long as possible.

[effinA]

bet the flop, it gives you a)info on his hand ranges, b)builds the pot JUST IN CASE YOU HIT THE TURN.....

as played a raise would only get action from sets/smaller flushes........i think they're both drawin dead, slooo play it......

[epdaws]

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Min-raise FTW! A set is always calling a turn push, but maybe the donkey with TP or two-pair will come along with the min-raise. River [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] is the only thing I hate to see.

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Well, a paired board would not be so good...

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Yea, but nobody is getting away from one so you may as well keep the guy without a set in the hand as long as possible.

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Interesting lead from BB smacks of a whiffed C/R, doesn't it, 4_2?

If we assume BB has a set, how often does he fold to a shove?