50NL: Blind battle, I'm SB w/ AKs

[DeuceSeven]

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This hand would've been much easier to fold if he just made a standard raise on the flop. Villains bet sizes screwed me up. Intitially c/f flop seemed like a weak line, but the more I think of it the more I like it. I'm OOP and I have A high, just let it go. Thanks for the insight guys

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I don't think a c-bet is bad either. Villain could have something like a small pair or an unpaired Ax. After the minraise, I'm done with the hand on this board OOP. Now if I had a read on the guy that when he bluffs postflop he minraises, I'll throw in a big 3 bet, but probably not on this board.

[SirNeb]

Calling the min RR is fine, he's giving you more than 4:1 odds to call. The question here is, is your overcards good if you hit them? If not, you don't have enough outs to call the min RR or the turn raise. If you think if you hit your overcards, you will have the best hand, then by all means, call the bets. He's giving you 4:1 odds each time.

I think you played it fine, but know why you are calling raises. Don't call because it's a min raise or because the bet sizing is small. The way he is playing this hand, I'm pretty sure he has a TP or PP.

Overall, by the looks of this, I see no big flaw if you can put villian on a range of hands and if your draws are valid. I wouldn't worry about the cbet issue because if you had not cbet here, you probably just fold the flop raise by his positional raise. Cbetting here is a semi-bluff, you do have a nuts gut draw. If you have position, that would be a different matter whether you should cbet. OOP you have to make plays like this or your hands practically have no value even if you hit a draw.

[Speedlimits]

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This is my 2nd hand at the table and BB is unknown. If I had to do it again I wouldn't cbet this flop, but I'm still learning whether or not to cbet different flops. Normally I'd call the min raise and c/f turn but he only bet 1/3 pot. Should I just fold to the min raise as played?

Poker Stars
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.25/$0.50
4 players
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Stack sizes:
UTG: $70.95
Button: $31.05
Hero: $49.50
BB: $43.35

Pre-flop: (4 players) Hero is SB with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
2 folds, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $2</font>, BB calls.

Flop: 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($4, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $3.5</font>, <font color="#cc0000">BB raises to $7</font>, Hero calls.

Turn: T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($18, 2 players)
Hero checks, <font color="#cc0000">BB bets $6.5</font>, Hero calls.

River: 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($31, 2 players)
Hero checks, BB checks.

Results:
Final pot: $31

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c/f flop is fine.

[Speedlimits]

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Calling the min RR is fine, he's giving you more than 4:1 odds to call. The question here is, is your overcards good if you hit them? If not, you don't have enough outs to call the min RR or the turn raise. If you think if you hit your overcards, you will have the best hand, then by all means, call the bets. He's giving you 4:1 odds each time.

I think you played it fine, but know why you are calling raises. Don't call because it's a min raise or because the bet sizing is small. The way he is playing this hand, I'm pretty sure he has a TP or PP.

Overall, by the looks of this, I see no big flaw if you can put villian on a range of hands and if your draws are valid. I wouldn't worry about the cbet issue because if you had not cbet here, you probably just fold the flop raise by his positional raise. Cbetting here is a semi-bluff, you do have a nuts gut draw. If you have position, that would be a different matter whether you should cbet. OOP you have to make plays like this or your hands practically have no value even if you hit a draw.

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Your odds thinking is flawed here, we could easily be reversed dominated/against a flush draw that gives us tptk.

Odds come into play when you're draw is to the nuts or close to it.

[Sweir]

I would c/f this flop even with the 4-1 odds miniraise bs, you could already be wb which means you only have 3 outs. Easy fold on the turn aswell.

[SirNeb]

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Your odds thinking is flawed here, we could easily be reversed dominated/against a flush draw that gives us tptk.

Odds come into play when you're draw is to the nuts or close to it.

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Actually, a big misconception is to draw to the nuts which is the safest route and you wouldn't be wrong. But when you start playing more loose, you start to draw even for overcards or anything relatively stronger than your opponent. To think that you only draw because you need the nuts is definitely flawed. Yes, there are more risks involved drawing to maybe TP. But you aren't calling all-ins with your TP anyways, so if your TP is good by the river, then drawing is not wrong at all. This can be very profitable if you have a reliable read on your villian.

I honestly think the biggest mistake of SSNL players are that they don't draw for marginal hands or give up their cards too easily. You end up giving away too much EV if you play so tight and avoid every possible RIO situation.

[Thrahl]

I'm Cbetting this flop as well. I pretty much Cbet close to %100 HU unless I know villain is a calling station.

However the call of the miniraise is spewy. You have 3 clean outs. The turn call makes baby Jesus cry. vs an unknown dump this to the the flop miniriase.

Even if villain is doing this with just a flush draw you are still behind on the flop.