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Old 12-13-2006, 10:17 PM
Unknown Soldier Unknown Soldier is offline
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Default Re: NL25 - standard QQ fold?

maybe, given that he probably knows you're on 6 of his tables aswell, but a standard 25NL player, I don't think so.
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Old 12-13-2006, 10:28 PM
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Default Re: NL25 - standard QQ fold?

Does he attack a lot from the button? BTW, the way he played this hand, there's every reason to think he has many pair hands you beat. The turn card really sucks though. I think 66-JJ, 9x, and maybe even 56 play this way for sure.

Another way to look at this hand is pretend you have AK. Do you play it any different? Now look at it from his perspective (thinking that he thinks you have AK) Also, how do you feel about getting away from this hand if you had made a PSB or an overbet?

I don't think you can know for sure if you're beat here, but this hand feels a little like looking for monsters under the bed. If he has a set on the turn, I think he bets less than allin to entice you to stick around. I think the turn check is fine if you're intent is to call his bluff.
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Old 12-13-2006, 10:32 PM
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Default Re: NL25 - standard QQ fold?

AcTc, my guess
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Old 12-13-2006, 10:43 PM
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Default Re: NL25 - standard QQ fold?

Checking the turn, i hate it. you beat a lot of hands here. your turn check screams weakness and his push is just an easy way to take down a pot that you have obv given up on.
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Old 12-13-2006, 11:50 PM
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Default Re: NL25 - standard QQ fold?

I'm not confident about this, but I'm inclined to fold unless I've seen Villain floating (or making plays that look like floating). If Villain has some kind of hand when he calls the flop, I think his range has Hero beat. Likely hands are say AA, KK, JJ, 10-10, 99, 55, 33, AcKc, AcJc, Ac10c. Somewhat less likely are other PP and some worse flush draws. Given that villain still has outs with A or K high flush draws, is this range good enough to give Hero a 1/3 shot at winning? I think it's probably not....

If Villain seems to float, that probably skews things toward a call. But I'd generally presume floating is unlikely until I've seen evidence.

Experienced posters vote call, though, so perhaps I'm out to lunch.
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Old 12-14-2006, 12:03 AM
Big Poppa Smurf Big Poppa Smurf is offline
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Default Re: NL25 - standard QQ fold?

he put you on ak!
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Old 12-14-2006, 04:45 AM
Sir Winalot Sir Winalot is offline
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Default Re: NL25 - standard QQ fold?

I'd play it exactly the same as OP.

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lead the turn, call a shove. You have half a stack and an overpair...go broke

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I don't like this.
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Old 12-14-2006, 05:36 AM
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Default Re: NL25 - standard QQ fold?

Why check the turn? Are you betting only the nuts in this situation? If you lead and get shoved on, then you can fold. As played, the door was opened and Hero suddenly has a tough decision.

Given Button's stats, I think it's safe to eliminate AA and KK from his holdings. I can see him playing pre-flop and flop this way with TT-QQ, AKs. The turn action depends on some reads.
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Old 12-14-2006, 05:58 AM
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Default Re: NL25 - standard QQ fold?

I'd be more inclined to fold to a 3/4-psb on the turn than a push. Think about it from his point of view, your line reeks of weakness.

Edit: I actually wrote that before I realised it was 3 handed. No way i'm folding here.
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Old 12-14-2006, 06:39 AM
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Default Re: NL25 - standard QQ fold?

I think villian has TT JJ..

No reason to move allin with trips...
He puts you on a missed AK with your turn check...
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