Internet Poker and its impact on B&Ms

[Cactus Jack]

I'm actually quite serious. I have a lot of time talking with people out here who've just got off a plane on their way to their hotels. I've played a lot of hours and talked to people at the tables. You have, well, yourself. You are not typical of the people who come to Vegas. You are poker players. That's what you do. It's not what MOST people do.

For every poker player, there are dozens of slots players. There are probably more people who come out here to play blackjack than poker. Because you live in a tree, everyone lives in trees.

Would the end of online bingo mean that there will be more people in bingo halls?

Your myopic if you think that the online "ban" will increase live play substantially. If anything, there will be a decrease as fewer people come into the game.

I talk to over 200 people a week out here in Vegas on vacation. You haven't talked to that many in your life.

[MVPSPORTS]

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I talk to over 200 people a week out here in Vegas on vacation. You haven't talked to that many in your life.

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PWNED... Man, I can't wait to bust your ass in that 5/5 PLHE game at Venetian CJ..

[bav]

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Doesn't the closing of smaller, indian-type places in other states HELP the akshun in Vegas??? Just a greedy Vegas resident's idea, anyway...

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When gambling was legalized in AC, everybody in Vegas was having conniptions. And the native casinos and riverboats started and there was panic. Turns out, making gambling a more everyday event increased tourism to Vegas. I think the same thing applies to online poker.

Online access to poker makes it a more everyday thing for most people who wouldn't otherwise make a 60 minute or 150 minute drive to the nearest card room. So when they hit Vegas, poker is on the list of things they want to do. I think making it difficult enough to participate in online poker that the average US person can't or won't put money in an online poker site will tend to decrease the action in Vegas.

[GHL]

First off... I wasn't really talking about vegas... I was talking about po dunk little riverboats. Since you're the expert on people I'll leave that up to you. I can see why so many people talk to you all the time, with your top notch personality and all.

You had made a silly statement that the internet has no impact on live poker. We'll I guess the fact that they spread NL games now and they were virtually non-existant before has nothing to do with the internet. I guess the SNGs that play 24x7 in some rooms that didn't before have nothing to do with the internet. Remember a few years back when only a few poker rooms existed on the strip and almost none in smaller river boats? Na... the internet had nothing to do with that.

I think there is a ton of confusion in these posts..

My issue was not that po dunk card rooms will dry up or people will stop going... they're packed. Degenerate gamblers have no where to go. Degenerate gamblers get more perks from the actual casinos than they do from ultimate bet.... i.e. they sometimes get fed. Also there is free booze.... they never leave.

Like I said earlier the one in gary indiana, the murder capital of the world, is packed with 20+ tables.

I was wondering how they get away with time charging so much... 12% of your stack per hour in a time charge makes the game nearly unbeatable in the long run.

I think some poster earlier hit the nail on the head...
the one I am referring to has a monolopy on the legal poker rooms in the area..... + people are willing to sit in the games all day.

[Cactus Jack]

No logical thought here. Moving along.

[BatsShadow]

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Although if you don't see the max buy in being 50 BBs and having 12 of those raked off the table in 25-30 hands as a problem... well...

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It's not a problem. It is ridiculous though.

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12% of your stack per hour in a time charge makes the game nearly unbeatable in the long run.

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No it doesn't. I know people who play this game as their job - 100 max, $6/half hour.

[Cactus Jack]

Of course the Internet has had an impact, but not as much as it may appear. Moneymaker's win had an impact. Poker on TV 24/7 has more of an impact. Credit card companies no longer supporting poker sites had more of an impact on the Internet, yet no one ever talks about that.

Most of the fishiest players in live card rooms never play on the Internet and never have. If you don't believe that, you've never spent any time at all talking to people at the tables. I sincerely doubt there is in the entire Universe one single fish who's playing live poker because he can no longer use a credit card to fund his Internet poker account. There is the connection you are missing.

[magoo]

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100 max 1-2 blinds
300 max 2-5 blinds

$100 game...... the seat fee is $6 / half hour...

They are raking 1.2 stacks off the table per hour!!!!!!!!





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Majestic Star with five tables going 24 hours, that's about $14,400 at day in time charges.

[Hey_Porter]

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Of course the Internet has had an impact, but not as much as it may appear. Moneymaker's win had an impact. Poker on TV 24/7 has more of an impact. Credit card companies no longer supporting poker sites had more of an impact on the Internet, yet no one ever talks about that.

Most of the fishiest players in live card rooms never play on the Internet and never have. If you don't believe that, you've never spent any time at all talking to people at the tables. I sincerely doubt there is in the entire Universe one single fish who's playing live poker because he can no longer use a credit card to fund his Internet poker account. There is the connection you are missing.

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Pull your head out of vegas. In my extensive experience in cardrooms around Seattle the statement "most of the fishiest players in live card rooms never play on the Internet and never have" is COMPLETELY inaccurate. Vegas is a different breed.