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#11
12-09-2006, 10:09 AM
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Re: [3/6] KQs flops top two on monotone board
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I completely understand and agree that LHE involves pushing many small edges and getting your chips in w/ good equity, but this situation is something i struggle with. the reason i struggle w/ it is because it is a seven card game. while our hand is probably best right now, is committing that raise out of the small blind agains that many limpers at an obviously loose table really a winning play in the long run? [/ QUOTE ] Think about all of the ways KQ suited can make a good hand. If you pair either card, you're likely to have top pair with a really good kicker. You're got connected cards that while they can only make a few straights, they're always making the strong side of the straight. You've got the K high flush draw. At a low-limit loose-passive table you're definitely going to do well with these cards. Players will be playing cards that will often make 2nd best (or worse) hands when you make your hand. 
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#12
12-09-2006, 11:06 AM
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Re: [3/6] KQs flops top two on monotone board
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why did u raise this out of the SB after this many limpers? [/ QUOTE ] because he has KQ [censored] soooooted. Don't fold the river. I hope he had AA
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#13
12-09-2006, 01:14 PM
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Re: [3/6] KQs flops top two on monotone board
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[ QUOTE ] why did u raise this out of the SB after this many limpers? [/ QUOTE ] because he has KQ [censored] soooooted. Don't fold the river. I hope he had AA [/ QUOTE ] no way he has AA. i like the first four streets, but i think you can overcall the river. i've been making some folds like this lately when i play limit and i'm almost sure they're bad. especially so given the pot size.
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#14
12-09-2006, 02:27 PM
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Re: [3/6] KQs flops top two on monotone board
Call, pots odds, no reliable reads, yadda yadda. Easily possible he has KQ also or pair+FD. You'd call this heads up and MP2's fishy presence does not really affect your ability to overcall with top two.
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#15
12-09-2006, 04:06 PM
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Re: [3/6] KQs flops top two on monotone board
NONANANANO: The most important thing to realize about my PFR is that I'm paying 1 SB to increase the pot by 5SB, so it's breakeven if I win 20% (1/5) of the time. Being OOP doesn't do that much to blunt the sheer strength of my hand, especially since the importance of position decreases somewhat in a 5-handed pot.
------ Babar: Turn SNG was to deny a free card. Also if I can fold the river after being raised, then I lose 2 bets against a flush, same as calling down, unless I river my boat in which case I win 4+ bets (I can't fold anywhere if I just call down the flop raise). Although, the assumption about folding the river doesn't seem to hold because... ------ So the consensus is that the river fold is bad. The main reason I posted this here was because KK seemed like an easy call while AK (ui) seemed like an easy fold while KQ seemed on the borderline, though I could be way off on this. What's our minimum calling hand here?
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#16
12-10-2006, 09:56 PM
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Re: [3/6] KQs flops top two on monotone board
i would say yours.
also, TYVM for the points about raising these hands in these positions. i've tried very hard to incoporate it into my game and it's helped tremendously.
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#18
12-13-2006, 03:17 PM
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Re: [3/6] KQs flops top two on monotone board
i think we can assume without a doubt that we beat him 1 on 16.5 times here. wtf happened here?
especially without a TAG read on him, we have to incorporate KJ and KT(maybe with a spade), another KQ, some K4s from some fish, or some other randomly overplayed hand...
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#19
12-13-2006, 03:20 PM
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Re: [3/6] KQs flops top two on monotone board
and there's not a huge difference between KK and KQ here, speaking of a calling range. 44 is the only likely holding in between.
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#20
12-14-2006, 05:45 PM
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Re: [3/6] KQs flops top two on monotone board
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] why did u raise this out of the SB after this many limpers? [/ QUOTE ] because he has KQ [censored] soooooted. Don't fold the river. I hope he had AA [/ QUOTE ] no way he has AA. i like the first four streets, but i think you can overcall the river. i've been making some folds like this lately when i play limit and i'm almost sure they're bad. especially so given the pot size. [/ QUOTE ] He can have A [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Ax He can have A [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]Qx, he can have a worse two pair, he could have the naked A [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] This is a horrible river fold getting 1000-1
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