A Non Conscious Entity That Passes The Turing Test.

[Burning_K]

Surely a dreamt character is just a projection of your own conciousness. It's not a separate entity from your own mind and in effect, you're actually just talking to yourself?

[SomethingClever]

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It seems unpossible I would be the first to think of this but you never know.


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[samster]

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It seems unpossible I would be the first to think of this but you never know.


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[Mickey Brausch]

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The entities I am speaking of are the people you talk to while you are dreaming.

[/ QUOTE ]Imagine a writer typing two pages of dialogue in a drunken stupor and not remembering anything about it. The next morning, when he wakes up and reads the dialogue, the characters on the printed page are exactly like your "entities". The cinema of dreams gives the illusion of spontaneity, and of the open possibilities, as opposed to the written page. But it's the same principle.

Or imagine yourself in a maze of carnival mirrors, and suppose that your image is not just reflected in various distorted, unrecognizable forms, but strangely enough also starts talking and acting up. Again, the same principle.

In your dreams you talk strictly to, with and about yourself. All those "entities" are yourself -- you as a group of actors.

Mickey Brausch

[jackaaron]

I dream in color by the way. Just thought I would mention that.

Also, I'm sometimes aware that it's a dream, and get to do whatever I want with the hope of not waking up for a while, but sometimes I "accidentally" wake up.

I haven't flown in my dreams for a very long time. That kind of sucks, although it got scary when I was really high.

Anyhow, those entities in my dream, do they actually fit the description of an entity? I'm not so sure when I read the definition, but maybe someone thinks otherwise.

[Mickey Brausch]

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Those entities in my dream, do they actually fit the description of an entity?

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[CrayZee]

Aren't you speaking to yourself in a dream hence passing the Turing test?

Also, isn't the Turing test constrained to non-biological entities (i.e. machines)? I suppose it doesn't matter.

[nextgenneo]

the Turing test is suppose to be constrained to machines. DS you suck

[Matt Ruff]

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The entities I am speaking of are the people you talk to while you are dreaming.

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I dream that I am talking with David Sklansky.

If I know that I'm dreaming, then I also know, without asking a single question, that the David I'm talking to is not a real human being. In that case, dream David fails the Turing test.

If I don't know that I'm dreaming, it's possible -- though not certain -- that dream David could convince me that he's human. But if I'm so out of touch with reality that I can't even tell whether I'm asleep or awake, I'm clearly not qualified to be conducting the experiment. So the test results are invalid.

Either way, dream David doesn't pass the test. He can't.

[Gobgogbog]

Take a test designed to measure a machine's ability to use language, give it to a non-conscious entity, and change the judge from an awake human to a sleeping human.

This new test certainly isn't the Turing test, and I'm not sure it's even a test at all. We test the dream-entities with our sleeping judge, but we can't compare that to any test with real humans, because we only have access to the awake judge for them.

But I guess it does tell us that we're able to think up fictional beings that can use language. And that we're able to not realize we're dreaming. But we already knew those things.