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Old 12-05-2006, 04:27 PM
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Default Re: Party 2-4 Aces in BB

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River bet is good - key is you have the Ace of hearts, so no one can have the nuts.

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This is so practically irrelevant in this spot.

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If I get all the money in on this river, no one can rationally call me. Think about how the hand played out. Think about what hands villains can call a push on the river.

So yes, having A hearts is absolutely relevant for this bluff situation.
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Old 12-05-2006, 04:31 PM
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Default Re: Party 2-4 Aces in BB

BTW, a lot of this is villain dependent. I am assuming villains are good thinking players, but then I remembered the stakes, and then betting can be marginal.

If villains are good thinking players, pot bet river, obv. fold to raise.

If villains are terrible players, obv. check fold.
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Old 12-05-2006, 04:39 PM
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Default Re: Party 2-4 Aces in BB

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BTW, a lot of this is villain dependent. I am assuming villains are good thinking players, but then I remembered the stakes, and then betting can be marginal.

If villains are good thinking players, pot bet river, obv. fold to raise.

If villains are terrible players, obv. check fold.

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Good thinking players will still call you with a flush.
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Old 12-05-2006, 05:28 PM
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Default Re: Party 2-4 Aces in BB

This bluff is a lot better if you 3bet pf.
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Old 12-05-2006, 07:47 PM
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Default Re: Party 2-4 Aces in BB

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River bet is good - key is you have the Ace of hearts, so no one can have the nuts.

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This is so practically irrelevant in this spot.

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If I get all the money in on this river, no one can rationally call me. Think about how the hand played out. Think about what hands villains can call a push on the river.

So yes, having A hearts is absolutely relevant for this bluff situation.

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I want to quickly correct myself. Having the Ace of hearts here is somewhat relevant. Not because you're likely to make a lower flush fold, but because it makes it less likely that someone was calling/betting the turn with just a flush draw.
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Old 12-05-2006, 09:12 PM
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Default Re: Party 2-4 Aces in BB

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BTW, a lot of this is villain dependent. I am assuming villains are good thinking players, but then I remembered the stakes, and then betting can be marginal.

If villains are good thinking players, pot bet river, obv. fold to raise.

If villains are terrible players, obv. check fold.

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restrikt do you play omaha? a "good thinking" player is going to be raising the river here? LOLLLLOLOOOLOL
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Old 12-05-2006, 09:21 PM
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Default Re: Party 2-4 Aces in BB

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River bet is good - key is you have the Ace of hearts, so no one can have the nuts.

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This is so practically irrelevant in this spot.

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If I get all the money in on this river, no one can rationally call me. Think about how the hand played out. Think about what hands villains can call a push on the river.

So yes, having A hearts is absolutely relevant for this bluff situation.

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I want to quickly correct myself. Having the Ace of hearts here is somewhat relevant. Not because you're likely to make a lower flush fold, but because it makes it less likely that someone was calling/betting the turn with just a flush draw.

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having the A of hearts is huge here. low flushes are always folding, what kind of retarded players do you play against. K high flush has a tough call and will prolly end up talking himself into it but it's still a good spot to bluff. although, checkraising turn is better as wazz mentioned.
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Old 12-05-2006, 10:13 PM
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Default Re: Party 2-4 Aces in BB

The higher the limits the thinner the action. Saying anyone without the nut flush here folds is dumb.
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Old 12-05-2006, 10:17 PM
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Saying anyone without the nut flush here folds is dumb.

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Esp in this 400max party game. Esp with that price.

But line is very good, anything except flushes fold and they arent likely to have it.

Nice hand. C/r turn is cool but risky. (people love sets etc)

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Old 12-06-2006, 07:33 AM
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Default Re: Party 2-4 Aces in BB

Is betting turn really that bad ? Now your river bet is much more convincing. You can expect to win a small pot uncontested on turn, and you can bluff on the river maybe 3 times out of 4 if you are called by only one player. The problem is you can get raised on turn, but it would not have been that expensive...

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