(PS $.50/$1): A8o against multiple LAGs

[stonescar]

How about folding preflop?
I never raise A8o from co after a limper, and LAGgy players makes the raise even worse IMO. This is not a good multiway hand. I could go for an isolationraise if the blinds were ultratight, and MP was supercrappy.

EDIT: as played, fold to the flop donk

[Oink]

Unless the players behind me are all tight I fold this preflop.

Post flop I play it like you.

[Dane S]

Looks good. PF is fine unless Button is highly laggy. Folding flop would be grotesque, (think about your equity) and raising is much better than calling. When the second King hits the turn you are sunk.

[bbbushu]

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When the second King hits the turn you are sunk.

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something we know ONLY because we know we're going to get three-bet on the flop. OP, i think it's tough to evaluate the information we're getting here because of our bias from seeing the whole HH.

bbbushu

[Dane S]

I don't think I understand you... why shouldn't the flop action influence our turn decision?

[bbbushu]

when we decided to raise in real-time we didn't know BT is going to three-bet us (and thus that our equity is actually probably crap instead of strong - a claim that rests on the idea that we are about to [finally] successfully isolate the weak player).

i think it SHOULD influence the turn decision (maybe i just misread your response, or something) but i didn't know we were debating the turn.

if we are debating the turn, then i agree with you that the second K [censored] out hand, lol.

bbbushu

[TomBrooks]

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MP is very loose, ...and am looking for extra pots to get involved in. However, the rest of the table is not-tight to loose, and fairly aggressive, so I probably don't get an isolation out of the pre-flop raise very often.

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Then fold A8o preflop.

You're in trouble when you can't isolate on the flop with Bottom Pair and your BDnutFD when Button 3Bs, assuming you're not already in trouble when MP bets into your pfr. Just calling MP's bet and folding the turn would probably be best, if folding outright is not. After Button 3B's your flop raise and MP calls, getting out on that turn that didn't help you looks like you're only logical choice.

[Dane S]

Oh, I see what you mean... Button's flop 3bet is causing people to be results oriented about the initial flop decision... you're probably right.

[Scotch78]

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You're in trouble when you can't isolate on the flop

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My isolation comment was in reference to pre-flop play. I wouldn't have raised the flop unless I thought I had a decent chance at isolating MP, who I put on a draw at least 50% of the time, and probably closer to 75%.

Scott

[Scotch78]

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PF is fine unless Button is highly laggy

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What would you qualify as "highly laggy" in this situation? I don't remember what info I had game-time, but my final stats on the button are 51/19 after 37 hands, with an AF of 2 (all post-flop AFs are 3.75+).

Scott