Two Plus Two Newer Archives  

Go Back   Two Plus Two Newer Archives > PL/NL Texas Hold'em > Micro Stakes
FAQ Community Calendar Today's Posts Search

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #11  
Old 11-15-2006, 07:00 PM
lacrymosa lacrymosa is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: punishing limpers
Posts: 1,108
Default Re: I suck at playing AK, please help!!!!!!!!!!!!

[ QUOTE ]
Okay a few situations
1.UTG reraises you all in- I think fold

2.UTG calls-then checks to you, your c-betting approx 80% of the time? and fold to and c/r by utg

[/ QUOTE ]
I do this too
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 11-15-2006, 07:05 PM
UncleKraut UncleKraut is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Posts: 379
Default Re: I suck at playing AK, please help!!!!!!!!!!!!

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
Most people overvalue AK, especially to a UTG raise.


[/ QUOTE ]

Most people who say such things do not really understand AK's unique equity situation.

[/ QUOTE ]

Care to elaborate? I'm listening.
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 11-15-2006, 07:06 PM
wslee00 wslee00 is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2005
Posts: 2,493
Default Re: I suck at playing AK, please help!!!!!!!!!!!!

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
Most people overvalue AK, especially to a UTG raise.


[/ QUOTE ]

Most people who say such things do not really understand AK's unique equity situation.

[/ QUOTE ]
can you explain that in layman's terms please
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 11-15-2006, 07:21 PM
mason55 mason55 is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: televisiphonernetting
Posts: 10,530
Default Re: I suck at playing AK, please help!!!!!!!!!!!!

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
Most people overvalue AK, especially to a UTG raise.


[/ QUOTE ]

Most people who say such things do not really understand AK's unique equity situation.

[/ QUOTE ]

Care to elaborate? I'm listening.

[/ QUOTE ]

There's only one hand AK is really afraid of and only one more that we don't really like. The rest are either 50/50 or we dominate.
Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old 11-15-2006, 07:35 PM
UncleKraut UncleKraut is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Posts: 379
Default Re: I suck at playing AK, please help!!!!!!!!!!!!

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
Most people overvalue AK, especially to a UTG raise.


[/ QUOTE ]

Most people who say such things do not really understand AK's unique equity situation.

[/ QUOTE ]

Care to elaborate? I'm listening.

[/ QUOTE ]

There's only one hand AK is really afraid of and only one more that we don't really like. The rest are either 50/50 or we dominate.

[/ QUOTE ]

OK. I still think it is overvalued to a UTG raise. Unless UTG raiser is a complete donk, its more likely that he holds a hand that we are completely dominated by or 50/50.

Why would I want to blow up the pot when I'm just 50/50 or worse?

In my experience just flat calling in positon with AK has been a MUCH more +EV play for me than re-raising.
Reply With Quote
  #16  
Old 11-15-2006, 07:38 PM
Grunch Grunch is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Posts: 9,623
Default Re: I suck at playing AK, please help!!!!!!!!!!!!

Exactly what mason said. AK really only is in trouble against exactly AA. Against KK we're only a 2:1 dog. Against QQ-22 we're 50:50. Against all other non-pair hands we tend to be a major favorite.

The interesting thing about AK is that if we get a bunch of money in preflop, we are rarely -EV to do so. Don't take this to an extreme; it depends on how the money gets in there.
Reply With Quote
  #17  
Old 11-15-2006, 07:40 PM
Grunch Grunch is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Posts: 9,623
Default Re: I suck at playing AK, please help!!!!!!!!!!!!

Also, in the case of the OP, most advice here will tell you to re-raise. But don't think that it's -EV to just call preflop. It's very +EV to just call. In fact, the OP is probably the most likely situation where I will not re-raise PF. That is to say, most of my cold-calls PF with AK are in situations very similar to the OP.
Reply With Quote
  #18  
Old 11-15-2006, 07:45 PM
CaucasianAsian29 CaucasianAsian29 is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Beat: Santa Maria CA
Posts: 1,638
Default Re: I suck at playing AK, please help!!!!!!!!!!!!

Wow, thanks Grunch and Mason. Great replys! I'm liking AK more now.
Reply With Quote
  #19  
Old 11-15-2006, 07:47 PM
UncleKraut UncleKraut is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Posts: 379
Default Re: I suck at playing AK, please help!!!!!!!!!!!!

[ QUOTE ]
Also, in the case of the OP, most advice here will tell you to re-raise. But don't think that it's -EV to just call preflop. It's very +EV to just call. In fact, the OP is probably the most likely situation where I will not re-raise PF. That is to say, most of my cold-calls PF with AK are in situations very similar to the OP.

[/ QUOTE ]

Maybe I respect UTG raises too much. But I feel that in case of an UTG raise it is -EV to re-raise with AK. It is just too likely that we are 50/50 at best.

I'm all for raising someone who came in from MP or LP.
Reply With Quote
  #20  
Old 11-15-2006, 07:50 PM
kolotoure kolotoure is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Raising the flop
Posts: 8,167
Default Re: I suck at playing AK, please help!!!!!!!!!!!!

I hope people keep playing there AK weakly against me when I raise UTG
Reply With Quote
Reply


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 08:37 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions Inc.