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Old 11-15-2006, 06:49 PM
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Default Re: TPTK: A Realization

Good post. I played a hand recently where I got stacked (villain had only 70bb) with AK on AQJ flop. I knew that he didn't have a straight because KT wasn't in his range, but i didn't relise that there is a huge probability of him having AQ or AJ.
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Old 11-15-2006, 06:50 PM
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easy easy flop call of his bet. When you raise you have to call shove on this board.

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Old 11-16-2006, 01:53 AM
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thats a sick line to take with a FD for him, haha.

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unless they're really stacking off with flush draws (in which case, wow)

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I'm confused. I see people recommending B-3BAI with flush draws all the time on these boards. What's unique that makes this one so awful?
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Old 11-16-2006, 02:33 AM
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redd: it's because the board is AQ, and the stacks suck for it, too.
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Old 11-16-2006, 07:23 AM
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When you raise you have to call shove on this board.

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Why?
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Old 11-16-2006, 07:28 AM
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we are getting 3:1 and this is a great board for a PFR to c-bet on so villain should often be c/cing or c/ring with a set / strong 2 pair to pick up the c-bet especially since there are 2 players between Hero and Villain.

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Old 11-16-2006, 08:16 AM
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raising this flop against a TAG type is going to allow both of you to play perfectly, since most of these guys don't have the sac to shove a draw here. however, he's letting you play perfectly and you called anyway...

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I think a lot of TAGs (even a wuss like me) could b/3b a combo draw like K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] or J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] here. Super agro TAGs might shove a lone FD, but I definitely think it's true that most of the time you're small favorite/huge dog here.
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Old 11-16-2006, 10:06 AM
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Don't most 18/12 TAG's fold everything except pocket pairs and AK against an UTG raise? (Including almost definitely their KJs/Axs-ish hands, but even AQ most of the time also?)
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Old 11-16-2006, 10:58 AM
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thats a sick line to take with a FD for him, haha.

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unless they're really stacking off with flush draws (in which case, wow)

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I'm confused. I see people recommending B-3BAI with flush draws all the time on these boards. What's unique that makes this one so awful?

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Mainly that it's a 4-way pot with an A-high flop. Someone is bound to have an Ace and unless you think he's capable of laying it down you're going to get the money in behind. The main strength of B/3B a 9-12 out draw is that you often pick up the pot on the flop. Here that is just not going to happen often enough. It would be different HU where B/3B is likely to win the pot immediately when pfr has no ace.
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Old 11-16-2006, 11:57 AM
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thats a sick line to take with a FD for him, haha.

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unless they're really stacking off with flush draws (in which case, wow)

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I'm confused. I see people recommending B-3BAI with flush draws all the time on these boards. What's unique that makes this one so awful?

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Mainly that it's a 4-way pot with an A-high flop. Someone is bound to have an Ace and unless you think he's capable of laying it down you're going to get the money in behind. The main strength of B/3B a 9-12 out draw is that you often pick up the pot on the flop. Here that is just not going to happen often enough. It would be different HU where B/3B is likely to win the pot immediately when pfr has no ace.

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Hero wants to fold AK, this means that only if Hero has AQ does he not pick up the pot by b/3-betting allin....

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