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#11
11-14-2006, 02:26 PM
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Re: adjusting to flop raise/folder.
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Here's an estimation of my 3betting range here: 55+ A9s+ ATo+ KJs+ KQo+ QJs JTs With this range, on J34 I have top pair or better 29% of the time. I have 55 or better 53% of the time. And worse than 55 47% of the time. So wouldn't bluffing this flop be good? [/ QUOTE ] Would you call some hands here? How exactly did you calculate those percentages? 
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#12
11-14-2006, 02:27 PM
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Re: adjusting to flop raise/folder.
I never know if I should call down w/ AK on the turn in this spot. If I decide to then I feel like a genius if I'm right and a spewmonkey if I'm wrong. I guess this is where the entire thing of "reads" and "playing poker" comes in, eh?
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#13
11-14-2006, 02:29 PM
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Re: adjusting to flop raise/folder.
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[ QUOTE ] Here's an estimation of my 3betting range here: 55+ A9s+ ATo+ KJs+ KQo+ QJs JTs With this range, on J34 I have top pair or better 29% of the time. I have 55 or better 53% of the time. And worse than 55 47% of the time. So wouldn't bluffing this flop be good? [/ QUOTE ] Would you call some hands here? How exactly did you calculate those percentages? [/ QUOTE ] Enumerating each hand in my range weighted by # of combos available given the flop and seeing where it falls
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#14
11-14-2006, 02:31 PM
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Re: adjusting to flop raise/folder.
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Here's an estimation of my 3betting range here: 55+ A9s+ ATo+ KJs+ KQo+ QJs JTs With this range, on J34 I have top pair or better 29% of the time. I have 55 or better 53% of the time. And worse than 55 47% of the time. So wouldn't bluffing this flop be good? [/ QUOTE ] Would you call some hands here? How exactly did you calculate those percentages? [/ QUOTE ] Enumerating each hand in my range weighted by # of combos available given the flop and seeing where it falls [/ QUOTE ] Do you have some kind of software to do that? Or are you doing those calculations manually? That kind of software would be very nice...
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#15
11-14-2006, 02:47 PM
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Re: adjusting to flop raise/folder.
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Yeah i really has to be like 77/66. I think A5 he probably calls here with 6 outs. He probably puts himself on a 2 outer and then folds. [/ QUOTE ] He's getting 12:1 to call the 3bet, which is good enough for a 2 outer. Maybe he misclicked and folded, or misclicked and raised the flop.. I guess this means you go passive when you got it, and aggro when you don't until you see him adjust..
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#16
11-14-2006, 02:49 PM
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Re: adjusting to flop raise/folder.
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Here's an estimation of my 3betting range here: 55+ A9s+ ATo+ KJs+ KQo+ QJs JTs With this range, on J34 I have top pair or better 29% of the time. I have 55 or better 53% of the time. And worse than 55 47% of the time. So wouldn't bluffing this flop be good? [/ QUOTE ] Would you call some hands here? How exactly did you calculate those percentages? [/ QUOTE ] Enumerating each hand in my range weighted by # of combos available given the flop and seeing where it falls [/ QUOTE ] Do you have some kind of software to do that? Or are you doing those calculations manually? That kind of software would be very nice... [/ QUOTE ] yeah I agree. I've thought for a long time about writing something that would allow you to input a hand range and board cards and break it up into overpair/split pair/two pair/set/flush draw/bdfd/two overcards etc. don't have time for that [censored] though.
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#17
11-14-2006, 02:58 PM
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Re: adjusting to flop raise/folder.
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[ QUOTE ] Yeah i really has to be like 77/66. I think A5 he probably calls here with 6 outs. He probably puts himself on a 2 outer and then folds. [/ QUOTE ] He's getting 12:1 to call the 3bet, which is good enough for a 2 outer. Maybe he misclicked and folded, or misclicked and raised the flop.. I guess this means you go passive when you got it, and aggro when you don't until you see him adjust.. [/ QUOTE ] im pretty sure you know this isnt true, just wanted to make sure
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#20
11-14-2006, 03:44 PM
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Re: adjusting to flop raise/folder.
IMO what you're dealing with a lot in this sort of situation (depends on the level and the site) is the sort of pain in the ass player who just likes to raise lots of flops. Lots of them. Puts you to the test with a wide range on the flop and leads you to making ugly calldowns with ATo or making ugly folds, etc. The 3bet here is good at least some portion of the time (here I'd say ~60%) because you want to dissuade him from taking these shots when neither of you pair, and make him play more legitimately when he has position on you.
Rob
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