Is the "Extreme" Terror Threat a Logical Fallacy?

[Mempho]

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2)The president wants an open border

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People in this country are not having babies fast enough to keep afloat the ponzi scheme of social security and medicare. Unfortunately we are just not in a position to close our boarders; we need the flood of illegal immigrants.

Stu

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How about either legal immigration or putting an end to the ponzi scheme. Bush has stated that if we don't fight terorism a mushroom cloud will appear over a major city. Won't that also hurt the ponzi scheme. Is the failure to protect the citizens not a criminal breach of the office he holds?

[Stu Pidasso]

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How about either legal immigration or putting an end to the ponzi scheme. Bush has stated that if we don't fight terorism a mushroom cloud will appear over a major city. Won't that also hurt the ponzi scheme. Is the failure to protect the citizens not a criminal breach of the office he holds?

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Well he did try to do something about social security so perhaps you should blame the people who thawrted that effort.

For technical reasons a nuclear weapon brought into this country is very unlikely to be come in via ground. If a mushroom cloud ever occurs over a US city the weapon will likely be delivered by missle or plane.

Remember back when Bush first came into office, before 911. One of the very first things Bush did was get us out of the ABM treaty and begin development of a missle defense. We are a lot more secure today against the threat you speak of than we were prior to 911. Also the efforts to make us more secure against the threat you speak began before 911.

Stu

[Mempho]

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For technical reasons a nuclear weapon brought into this country is very unlikely to be come in via ground. If a mushroom cloud ever occurs over a US city the weapon will likely be delivered by missle or plane.


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OK...that's great. The Bush Administration has been lying to the American people for fear-mongering purposes when they talked about those suitcase nucleur bombs. Why can't people just tell the [censored] truth?

[Stu Pidasso]

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OK...that's great. The Bush Administration has been lying to the American people for fear-mongering purposes when they talked about those suitcase nucleur bombs. Why can't people just tell the [censored] truth?

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When did the adminstration say we were under threat from suitcase nukes?

Stu

p.s. even if terrorist had a suitcase nuke they would still fly it in(for technical reasons).

[Jimbo]

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Is the failure to protect the citizens not a criminal breach of the office he holds?


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This highlights the crux of our difference in opinions. I feel much safer and have proof of no terrorist attacks on American soil since 911 as a basis for my reasoning. You express as a fact that the American people are not safe with no evidence at all. Who are you? Nancy Pelosi? Murtha? Kerry? An alien (not one of Spanish decent either)?

I just don't see how you are making this assumption.

Jimbo

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Terrorists are muslim and have oil. Neither applies to countries on america's border.

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lol. no comment.

[Mempho]

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Is the failure to protect the citizens not a criminal breach of the office he holds?


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This highlights the crux of our difference in opinions. I feel much safer and have proof of no terrorist attacks on American soil since 911 as a basis for my reasoning. You express as a fact that the American people are not safe with no evidence at all. Who are you? Nancy Pelosi? Murtha? Kerry? An alien (not one of Spanish decent either)?

I just don't see how you are making this assumption.

Jimbo

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OK, fair enough.

http://www.defenselink.mil/Transcrip...nscriptID=3318

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Q: It's been reported that so-called suitcase nukes are missing from the old Soviet arsenal. It has been reported over the years. Is that a serious concern? And if so, what is the U.S. strategy for dealing with that?

Wolfowitz: The general proposition that there's a large amount of potential nuclear weapon material in the former Soviet Union, mostly in Russia, in various forms is a matter of real concern. It actually goes beyond the issue of suitcase bombs. Even nuclear spent fuel from reactors can be a problem.

We are spending a lot of money, a hundred million dollars every year, to help the Russians and to encourage, motivate the Russians to put as much of that as possible -- to secure it as well as possible and to get rid of as much of it as possible as quickly as possible. When you start out with an inventory as they did of some 40,000 or 50,000 nuclear weapons, it's going to be with us, unfortunately, the problem, for quite awhile.

I think the most important thing is to make sure that what is there is [inaudible]. We've made real progress.

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Specific Al-Quada operatives in Mexico looking for nucleur material:

http://www.washtimes.com/national/20...1158-2444r.htm

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Intelligence officials say a key figure in al Qaeda's North American operations is Adnan Shukrijumah, who is being sought by the FBI for the past several years.
One official said Shukrijumah recently was seen in Mexico and earlier had been in Canada near a university with a nuclear reactor, leading to concerns that he was seeking radioactive material for a radiological bomb.

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Also:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10663996/site/newsweek/

One report stating that suitcase nukes are already here:

http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=45203

EDIT TO ADD: House Investigations Subcommittee Report

http://tancredo.house.gov/irc/images...e%20report.pdf

[Stu Pidasso]

hmmm...all that googling and you couldn't find anything where the administration comes out and says were under serious threat from suitcase nukes.

Stu

[Mempho]

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hmmm...all that googling and you couldn't find anything where the administration comes out and says were under serious threat from suitcase nukes.

Stu

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I think the reports stand on their own merits. I understand where you are going but I think that Wolfowicz's admission about the missing materials is fairly damning. Just my opinion...you may, of course, disagree. By the way, I had read most of that before making the post...but Google is a wonderful thing. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

[Jimbo]

Now I see why you came to your conclusions. However you still imply that another President in office would somehow change the fact that nuclear material is unaccounted for in the Former USSR.

This is where I must speculate wihtout any hard evidence other than numerous public statements by other Presidential canditates. I would fell less safe with a dove in the oval office and feel that numerous incidents would have occured here in the US if say Kerry had been elected.

Again I reitterate; Even if a million Mexicans cross the border on a regular basis I don't consider them a terrorist threat, just a threat to property values, hardly terrorism but a nasty threat nonetheless. Now if we were being invaded by Canadians or even 30% VPIP Slovenians I might feel otherwise. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]


Jimbo