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#11
11-10-2006, 08:02 PM
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Re: paging Lee Jones
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PokerStars takes potential collusion very seriously, and we have state of the art systems to detect and counter it, as well as a dedicated Collusion Investigation Team and Security department working 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, to ensure that you play in games that are fair and safe. As you know, both ElkY and twin-caracas are high-profile players in the online world, and as such, any unusual action they take comes under scrutiny. Every time a player like ElkY checks pocket aces on the river, or raises in first position with rags, we get an email from a concerned individual wondering if they are cheating. Of course we investigate all of these complaints, and players like ElkY and twin-caracas are reviewed frequently as a result. We have never found anything to make us believe that either ElkY or twin- caracas is working with another player to the detriment of others. In this particular hand, it is clear that for whatever reason, ElkY and twin-caracas chose not to bet their strong hands against one another. Note however that this is a heads-up pot, and is a cash game, not a tournament. The other players are not affected in any way by their decision to check it down - they have no legitimate interest in what happens. If this had been a tournament, the equity of the other players at the table would have been significantly affected by the decision, and we would have grounds to take action. We would also possibly have reason to take action if a third player had been present in the pot. However this was not the case, and we have plenty of evidence to show that ElkY and twin- caracas do play strongly against each other when other players are involved. Also note that there is no evidence to support an assumption that the two players are sharing their hole cards with each other or communicating in other ways. If one player had bet and the other had folded - well, that would be a different story. In summary, I am not concerned about unethical play here. ElkY and twin- caracas may not be playing in the usual way, but their play does not pose any threat to other players and therefore we have no grounds for action. [/ QUOTE ] lolz? 
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#12
11-10-2006, 08:12 PM
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Re: paging Lee Jones
LOL, Stars official position is that TC and Elky (and many others for that matter) are not doing anything wrong AFTER they have chased everyone else from the pot.
Of course the actual chasing is not mentionned.... They should have a sign on their door: CHEATERS WELCOME
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#13
11-10-2006, 08:15 PM
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Re: paging Lee Jones
Reef... let me get this straight...
PS Support is saying they have plenty of evidence that these 2 players are aggresive when there are others in the pot, and soft when it is only the 2 of them?... and this is OK...
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#15
11-10-2006, 08:24 PM
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Re: paging Lee Jones
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Reef... let me get this straight... PS Support is saying they have plenty of evidence that these 2 players are aggresive when there are others in the pot, and soft when it is only the 2 of them?... and this is OK... [/ QUOTE ] That's certainly what it looks like to me.
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#16
11-10-2006, 08:26 PM
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Re: paging Lee Jones
Not in my world and I will keep bumping. Bad principles that make dollars are ignored until they become embarassing and start scaring customers away. Same thing happened to the reload bug. Nothing wrong with it until too many people started complaining. Then they had no problem fixing it.
Let me also remind you that even if the OP's post is about 2 players, there are plenty of players that are involved in this practice with each other. If you go and play that way with your brother at a casino and explain that you softplay eachother because he is your brother, most will have no problem with it. When you sit at a table and half the players have an agreement with eachother without you knowing about it, it's very morally debatable and should not be allowed.
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#17
11-10-2006, 08:34 PM
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Re: paging Lee Jones
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When you sit at a table and half the players have an agreement with eachother without you knowing about it, it's very morally debatable and should not be allowed. [/ QUOTE ] You are right here, but that's not what the OP complaint was about. He had an example where two players were the only ones in a hand and they soft played each other.
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#18
11-10-2006, 08:41 PM
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Not in my world [/ QUOTE ] What world do you live in? Every single online and offline poker room allows this form of soft playing in cash games. Bellagio, Commerce, Stars, Party, etc.
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#20
11-10-2006, 08:50 PM
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Re: paging Lee Jones
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[ QUOTE ] Not in my world [/ QUOTE ] What world do you live in? Every single online and offline poker room allows this form of soft playing in cash games. Bellagio, Commerce, Stars, Party, etc. [/ QUOTE ] HUH.... a honest one? [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img] Read my previous post. There is a difference between softplaying a friend and being part of a softplay group. Try to show up at the Bellagio and tell the poker manager that you and 4 of your friends that softplay eachother after they have chased other players off the pot will be playing at the same table tonight... let me know if they still allow it.
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