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#11
11-08-2006, 03:31 PM
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Re: Am I playing a marginal hand too passively?
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The statistical sample is low on villain, just 93 hands. Absolution, I use the Tight Game chart in SSHE. Early position, Against A Raise, AJs is there. [/ QUOTE ] Okay then, but I still fold this except against LAGs that I will raise and I would possibly call on really loose tables. 
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#12
11-08-2006, 03:32 PM
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Re: Am I playing a marginal hand too passively?
Yep, was just saying, but I do agree with you now, and I know that those charts only get you so far, you need to tailor them to circumstances and to players, as in this case.
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#13
11-08-2006, 03:32 PM
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Re: Am I playing a marginal hand too passively?
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The statistical sample is low on villain, just 93 hands. Absolution, I use the Tight Game chart in SSHE. Early position, Against A Raise, AJs is there. [/ QUOTE ] 93 is probably enough to know your in trouble. I have a very hard time thinking SSHE suggests cold calling an utg raise next in with AJs.
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#14
11-08-2006, 03:38 PM
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Re: Am I playing a marginal hand too passively?
Maybe I'm misreading the chart - it does say Against A Raise but does that excluse raises before you? i.e. it only applies if you've limped and the raiser is behind you?
If so... oops.
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#15
11-08-2006, 03:45 PM
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Re: Am I playing a marginal hand too passively?
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[ QUOTE ] The statistical sample is low on villain, just 93 hands. Absolution, I use the Tight Game chart in SSHE. Early position, Against A Raise, AJs is there. [/ QUOTE ] 93 is probably enough to know your in trouble. I have a very hard time thinking SSHE suggests cold calling an utg raise next in with AJs. [/ QUOTE ] The SSH charts definitely recommend cold-calling a raiser with AJs. Remember that those were written for looser games (a bygone time, mostly). The statistical sample is enough to push me to a fold.
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#16
11-08-2006, 03:54 PM
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Re: Am I playing a marginal hand too passively?
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Maybe I'm misreading the chart - it does say Against A Raise but does that excluse raises before you? i.e. it only applies if you've limped and the raiser is behind you? If so... oops. [/ QUOTE ] No no, if it's in the chart as 'against a raise', then you followed the chart fine since it's for your first action. If you limp and there is a raiser behind you or if you cold call and get 3bet behind you, I can't think of a situation where I'm folding for one more. In the posted hand, you're getting over 8:1 on calling 1 more back to you. Folding there is so very, very wrong.
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#17
11-08-2006, 04:00 PM
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Re: Am I playing a marginal hand too passively?
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] The statistical sample is low on villain, just 93 hands. Absolution, I use the Tight Game chart in SSHE. Early position, Against A Raise, AJs is there. [/ QUOTE ] 93 is probably enough to know your in trouble. I have a very hard time thinking SSHE suggests cold calling an utg raise next in with AJs. [/ QUOTE ] The SSH charts definitely recommend cold-calling a raiser with AJs. Remember that those were written for looser games (a bygone time, mostly). The statistical sample is enough to push me to a fold. [/ QUOTE ] Your right even in the tight game chart(3-5 players) it says to cold call with this. Wow.
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#19
11-08-2006, 04:53 PM
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Re: Am I playing a marginal hand too passively?
I disagree with only 3 outs on the flop. BDSD, BDFD 3 outs, ace 1.5 outs, jack 0.5 outs. You can peel the flop. Turn is more WA/WB and we can see the river for 1BB.
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#20
11-08-2006, 04:58 PM
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Re: Am I playing a marginal hand too passively?
*grunch*
If the sample size for the stats is large enough that the 3.2% raise is significant, I would fold AJs against UTG. I would then fold the flop. The pot is laying 10:1, but giving yourself 4 outs is a stretch.
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