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11-04-2006, 08:45 PM
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Re: stop demanding proof of God\'s existence
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To anyone who requires "proof" of God's existence in order to believe he exists, [/ QUOTE ] Like who? [ QUOTE ] I ask you this: Do you require proof to believe that gravity exists? [/ QUOTE ] Yeah. [ QUOTE ] I don't think you have any, [/ QUOTE ] You're wrong. [ QUOTE ] and yet if you're like most people, [/ QUOTE ] I'm not. [ QUOTE ] you would quite religiously insist that it does. [/ QUOTE ] I don't. [ QUOTE ] This is simply because the theory of gravity has stood up to a lot of scrutiny. [/ QUOTE ] That's what we call "proof." [ QUOTE ] Yet some of the same people who place faith in the theory of gravity because of the scrutiny it has stood up to demand proof of God's existence to believe in him. [/ QUOTE ] Not really. And standing up to scrutiny is scientific proof. [ QUOTE ] How ridiculous! [/ QUOTE ] I agree. 
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#12
11-04-2006, 08:49 PM
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Re: stop demanding proof of God\'s existence
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To anyone who requires "proof" of God's existence in order to believe he exists, I ask you this: [/ QUOTE ] I don't believe anyone here demands absolute proof for anything... and, as a matter of fact, I'd demand less proof that a specific god exists to believe in him than most other things. [ QUOTE ] Do you require proof to believe that gravity exists? [/ QUOTE ] I require sufficient evidence... If you don't think that it has sufficient evidence to back it up, please feel free to just off the roof of a tall building, then come tell me about it. [ QUOTE ] I don't think you have any, and yet if you're like most people, you would quite religiously insist that it does. This is simply because the theory of gravity has stood up to a lot of scrutiny. [/ QUOTE ] yeah..that's what evidence for a theory is.. [ QUOTE ] Yet some of the same people who place faith in the theory of gravity because of the scrutiny it has stood up to demand proof of God's existence to believe in him [/ QUOTE ] I'd say that human reason, not faith, has concluded that gravity exists..why do you believe in it?...if not because of evidence,yes , you'd be a moran. we don't demand proof of god's existence..we demand sufficient evidence, which in most cases I would believe, isn't even close to proof. unfortunately, the god theory (not to mentiona specific god theory), is lacking even the slightest bit of evidence. [ QUOTE ] How ridiculous! [/ QUOTE ] rofl.. I guess quinn has the type of logic we are dealing with when we deal with theists..it makes me fear that there is little hope.
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#14
11-05-2006, 01:13 AM
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Re: stop demanding proof of God\'s existence
Standing up to scrutiny is not by any means proof. That is completely ridiculous.
That's like saying: A->B B -- A Also, I never claimed that this was reason to believe in God. All I said was that it's ridiculous to accept gravity because it stands up to scrutiny and then reject God because you can't prove his existence. No one's ever going to prove gravity exists.
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#16
11-05-2006, 01:16 AM
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Re: stop demanding proof of God\'s existence
I'll stop demanding proof of God's existence, when believers will stop trying to tell me s/he/it exists with not an iota of proof behind their claims.
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#17
11-05-2006, 01:17 AM
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Re: stop demanding proof of God\'s existence
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[ QUOTE ] 6:1 against quinn ever posting in this thread again? [/ QUOTE ] Whew, glad I didnt get any takers. [/ QUOTE ] You closed the bidding too soon.
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#18
11-05-2006, 01:17 AM
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Re: stop demanding proof of God\'s existence
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Standing up to scrutiny is not by any means proof. That is completely ridiculous. That's like saying: A->B B -- A Also, I never claimed that this was reason to believe in God. All I said was that it's ridiculous to accept gravity because it stands up to scrutiny and then reject God because you can't prove his existence. No one's ever going to prove gravity exists. [/ QUOTE ] Its nothing like your example, and yes it is what we mean by proof. Obviously, no sort of scientific theory can really be proven in the same sense as a mathematical or logical proof. When scientists say prove, they mean stand up to rigorous scrutiny over a long time. Gravity is by no means proven, nor is the Theory of Evolution or Relativity. We can illustrate many ways in which they could be shown false, and so far they've passed all of those tests, but it is still entirely possible that tomorrow, a pregnant woman will give birth to a dog and most of evolutionary biology (not to mention medicine, developmental bio, and a host of other fields) would be completely turned on their head. That being said, the Theory of Evolution is proven. If we have to use what you apparently think proven means, it quickly becomes a useless definition.
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#20
11-05-2006, 01:20 AM
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Re: stop demanding proof of God\'s existence
Oh, and how can you possibly use the gravity analogy with a straight face? In what ways are the abilities to stand up to scrutiny analogous wrt gravity and God?
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