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#11
10-27-2006, 09:14 PM
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Re: Spotting the Pros
to avoid looking so nitty, i ask the floor before i go to a table, when you ask at the table, the other players notice it in a bad way.
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10-27-2006, 09:15 PM
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Re: Spotting the Pros
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] For shills, you can ask the dealer if there are any shills at the table, or ask aloud "are there any house players seated here". [/ QUOTE ] ...or you cold just look for the state issued ID they have to wear which says, PROPOSITION PLAYER. [/ QUOTE ] Not sure what state that is, but it isn't MS, NV, or CA. [/ QUOTE ] I guess "state issued" is the wrong designation. In NorCal the cities make the props wear ID. Bay 101 and Garden City have the props wear the same sort of badge as do the other casino employees. additionally, the third party bankers, the Network M employees, in the California games (pai gow, blackjack) wear conspicuous id in all the rooms in which I've seen them. I thought it was a state gaming requirement but could be wrong. I was unaware that this is not the custom in the L.A. rooms.
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#13
10-27-2006, 09:24 PM
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Re: Spotting the Pros
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How do you go about spotting the professionals at your table? Is there any tip off? This is a serious question as I want to make sure I am not sitting down with a shark. [/ QUOTE ] Size of the chipstack isn't it. Though many seem to think that defines a players skill. I find that usually the bigger the chipstack on the table, the worse the player. Most wouldn't know an actual pro that's living off playing if they were sitting right next to them. Many don't realize why some 'pro' plays are good, to where if someone else did it, it would be bad. So it can be a little deceptive at times. But usually it's just a punchline in a joke on a table. Basically, just look for solid TAG players. There are many players that play very well, just not for a living. Though they qualify as playing a 'pro' style. Just look for the play style and adjust accordingly. That said, many actual 'pros' I play against aren't really that good other than being tight. b
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#14
10-27-2006, 09:28 PM
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Re: Spotting the Pros
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Because that's what I posted...I realize that they may be the live ones but I am just curious if you can tell if they play professionally without actually asking them. [/ QUOTE ] Generally, no. You might get an idea if you play in the room alot and see them there all the time. But just off an initial meeting on a table? No. You will start running into them more starting at 10-20. Especially in daytime games. Some will play lower limits while waiting for a seat in the bigger game. Many players who don't play for a living play better than those that do. b
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#16
10-27-2006, 09:54 PM
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Re: Spotting the Pros
Look for people that buy in for the right amount, they know what they're doing. At the same time, you know someone probably sucks if they buy in for $40 at a 4/8 limit game. Or really if they're not buying in for the max at NL (or close to it).
Also, you can tell if someone sucks if they steam. Anyone who gets pissed at a bad beat probably sucks (like 90% of the time).
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#17
10-27-2006, 10:27 PM
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Re: Spotting the Pros
Well things that clue you in that someones not a pro are if you notice them sitting with very few chips. If you notice them making really stupid plays. It's kind of easier to spot a pro if you're a really good player yourself, I mean, if you're good you can tell who at your table is good because you know what things to look for. I guess if you can't tell then you may be the live one, beware...
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#20
10-28-2006, 01:04 AM
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Re: Spotting the Pros
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] For shills, you can ask the dealer if there are any shills at the table, or ask aloud "are there any house players seated here". [/ QUOTE ] ...or you cold just look for the state issued ID they have to wear which says, PROPOSITION PLAYER. [/ QUOTE ] Not sure what state that is, but it isn't MS, NV, or CA. [/ QUOTE ] I guess "state issued" is the wrong designation. In NorCal the cities make the props wear ID. Bay 101 and Garden City have the props wear the same sort of badge as do the other casino employees. additionally, the third party bankers, the Network M employees, in the California games (pai gow, blackjack) wear conspicuous id in all the rooms in which I've seen them. I thought it was a state gaming requirement but could be wrong. I was unaware that this is not the custom in the L.A. rooms. [/ QUOTE ] Those aren't props, those are dealers or floor playing in their time off. I've seen props at Bay 101, they have no (steenkeeng) badges. Usually you can tell the props because they try to play as little as possible. They sit out for the button to come around before they post. Then they'll look at 3 or 4 pocket hands, muck them all, then take a walk for 20 minutes. They're trying to grind out their salary without losing at the table. I'd rather not have them at the table because they are taking up space that someone that actually plays might use.
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