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Old 10-26-2006, 05:15 AM
younghov17 younghov17 is offline
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Default Re: Folded a set, yes that is correct.

ok so now that we agree no one has a set how can u fold this? did u even consider the odds?
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Old 10-26-2006, 05:15 AM
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Default Re: Folded a set, yes that is correct.

ok so i beat like 1 hand a9?

and am behind to flush marginally ahead of flush draw/straight draw
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Old 10-26-2006, 05:15 AM
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Default Re: Folded a set, yes that is correct.

How can you seriously believe that at least one of them has a set when the only possible set hands are AA/KK and noone reraised preflop?

AK and a flush seems by far to be the most likely hands. If these are the hands you're up against I don't know whether it's worth a call/push or not. To beat the flush you have to fill up, and if you fill up with an A/K the AK hand fills up to a better boat.

And why do you say SB has $350 when the stack sizes says he has $276?
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Old 10-26-2006, 05:18 AM
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How can you seriously believe that at least one of them has a set when the only possible set hands are AA/KK and noone reraised preflop?

AK and a flush seems by far to be the most likely hands. If these are the hands you're up against I don't know whether it's worth a call/push or not. To beat the flush you have to fill up, and if you fill up with an A/K the AK hand fills up to a better boat.

And why do you say SB has $350 when the stack sizes says he has $276?

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Clarification 1: $276 is sb stack initially.
Clarification 2: i meant to say FLUSH, not SET, for the millionth time..

as for your post, you are probably the only player that sees my perspective.

if one player has 2 pair, the other flush, im drawing almost dead.

its unlikely that they both have 2 pair and neither has a flush.

given the large stack of sb, why woudl i call to draw?
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Old 10-26-2006, 05:20 AM
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Default Re: Folded a set, yes that is correct.

369:129

You're getting 2.85:1 to call, you need to win only about 25% of the time

Board: Ah Kh 9h
Dead:

equity (%) win (%) tie (%)
Hand 1: 25.7391 % 25.58% 00.16% { 9d9s }
Hand 2: 37.1305 % 36.78% 00.35% { AKs, QhJh, QhTh, JhTh, Th8h, 9h8h, 8h7h, 8h6h, 7h6h, 7h5h, 6h5h, 6h4h, 5h4h }
Hand 3: 37.1305 % 36.78% 00.35% { AKs, QhJh, QhTh, JhTh, Th8h, 9h8h, 8h7h, 8h6h, 7h6h, 7h5h, 6h5h, 6h4h, 5h4h }

So... it's pretty close. I figure donk factor is enough to make it a call.

EDIT: Hmm... didn't notice stack sizes either, lemme rethink.
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Old 10-26-2006, 05:23 AM
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Default Re: Folded a set, yes that is correct.

You haven't included AKo in Villains' hand ranges.
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Old 10-26-2006, 05:23 AM
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369:129

You're getting 2.85:1 to call, you need to win only about 25% of the time

Board: Ah Kh 9h
Dead:

equity (%) win (%) tie (%)
Hand 1: 25.7391 % 25.58% 00.16% { 9d9s }
Hand 2: 37.1305 % 36.78% 00.35% { AKs, QhJh, QhTh, JhTh, Th8h, 9h8h, 8h7h, 8h6h, 7h6h, 7h5h, 6h5h, 6h4h, 5h4h }
Hand 3: 37.1305 % 36.78% 00.35% { AKs, QhJh, QhTh, JhTh, Th8h, 9h8h, 8h7h, 8h6h, 7h6h, 7h5h, 6h5h, 6h4h, 5h4h }

So... it's pretty close. I figure donk factor is enough to make it a call.

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no ur math is wrong, sb still has money behind.
so im not paying $129 for turn and river, and i might not have as many outs a just a paired board.
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Old 10-26-2006, 05:23 AM
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Default Re: Folded a set, yes that is correct.

I included only 3 combos each because I think it's an unlikely hand, due to PF action.
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Old 10-26-2006, 05:25 AM
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Default Re: Folded a set, yes that is correct.

I think AK is _very_ likely. Not everyone reraises AK every time OOP.

Edit: Ok, one player had position but I still think AK is very likely.
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Old 10-26-2006, 05:25 AM
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369:129

You're getting 2.85:1 to call, you need to win only about 25% of the time

Board: Ah Kh 9h
Dead:

equity (%) win (%) tie (%)
Hand 1: 25.7391 % 25.58% 00.16% { 9d9s }
Hand 2: 37.1305 % 36.78% 00.35% { AKs, QhJh, QhTh, JhTh, Th8h, 9h8h, 8h7h, 8h6h, 7h6h, 7h5h, 6h5h, 6h4h, 5h4h }
Hand 3: 37.1305 % 36.78% 00.35% { AKs, QhJh, QhTh, JhTh, Th8h, 9h8h, 8h7h, 8h6h, 7h6h, 7h5h, 6h5h, 6h4h, 5h4h }

So... it's pretty close. I figure donk factor is enough to make it a call.

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no ur math is wrong, sb still has money behind.
so im not paying $129 for turn and river, and i might not have as many outs a just a paired board.

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Yeah, hand range is somewhat bogus, too.
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