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Old 10-14-2006, 01:29 PM
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Default Re: nl400 what to do with this reraise?

Ok, the folding to the reraise I'm completely in agreement with.

Just about the preflop raise, I had been raising mostly close to 3x the raisers bet, generally rounding up. I watched the cero_z video that I bought on donkit.com and he was raising 5x. I was just compromising and doing 4x.

I suppose the raise could be varied based on villian's ranges for opening, calling reraise and 4-betting, but I don't know his ranges that well.

Or, maybe some of you feel that because we are both in early position our actions will look stronger, so a smallish raise is sufficient?
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Old 10-14-2006, 02:39 PM
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Default Re: nl400 what to do with this reraise?

Why waste a hand as good as AJs to just blow everyone out of the pot? You are risking $60 to pick up $21 and people will quite often either reraise or fold when facing such a huge raise OOP. And even if you do get called it means you're crushed and hitting the flop could cost you your stack.

Then when he reraises you an additional 20% of his stack you refer to it as "smallish". You seem to have some serious misconceptions about NL betting.
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Old 10-14-2006, 02:39 PM
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Default Re: nl400 what to do with this reraise?

UTG raises and reraises your reraise?
fold.
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Old 10-14-2006, 03:01 PM
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Default Re: nl400 what to do with this reraise?

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Why waste a hand as good as AJs to just blow everyone out of the pot? You are risking $60 to pick up $21 and people will quite often either reraise or fold when facing such a huge raise OOP. And even if you do get called it means you're crushed and hitting the flop could cost you your stack.

Then when he reraises you an additional 20% of his stack you refer to it as "smallish". You seem to have some serious misconceptions about NL betting.

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Are you suggesting that 4x is too big a raise or that I should call?

Villian is not super tight with open raises, even UTG, so I'm definitely going to be reraising sometimes without the nuts.

So are the best hands for reraising here a mix of very strong hands and a few hands that aren't quite strong enough for a call? I'm thinking those weaker hands are the best semi-bluff hands as the occassional raise is +EV by itself and those hands are the best for it as they are better than nothing when I get called. These hands would be like lower PPs or suited connectors.

Then a hand like AJs would fall between these ranges and be best for a call?

You're not just suggesting AJs is a 3x bet here, right?
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Old 10-14-2006, 03:07 PM
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Default Re: nl400 what to do with this reraise?

Reraise is good, but keep it a bit smaller and fold to his reraise anyhow.
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Old 10-14-2006, 03:22 PM
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Default Re: nl400 what to do with this reraise?

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rr less and fold to the 4bet

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you could also just fold AJ to the utg raise from a likely solid 2p2er
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Old 10-14-2006, 03:28 PM
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Default Re: nl400 what to do with this reraise?

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rr less and fold to the 4bet

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you could also just fold AJ to the utg raise from a likely solid 2p2er

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If the only think you knew about UTG was that he was 2p2, what would you put his range on after just the first raise?
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Old 10-14-2006, 03:45 PM
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Default Re: nl400 what to do with this reraise?

Microbet,

I don't know what cero's video says, but the best way to think of it is to raise the pot (this includes your call before a raise). So here a raise would be to 51... I think it makes a big difference.
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Old 10-14-2006, 04:00 PM
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Default Re: nl400 what to do with this reraise?

$50 is generally my standard vs an open of $14, $15, or $16.
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Old 10-14-2006, 04:17 PM
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rr less and fold to the 4bet

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