$11: Medium pairs preflop allin ?

[Sykes]

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Wtf, Pushing hand 1 -? WHY?!?

I say call and see a flop, i think pushing is a bit stupid.

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why do you think this?

you're oop.

[Jay Riall]

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Wtf, Pushing hand 1 -? WHY?!?


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We likely have the best hand and a lot of FE. That's why. Though calling isn't a crime, and possibly better than pushing.

[NL Newbie]

Sykes - Yeah, but if you push i'd say your a coin flip(AQ maybe occasionally calls). OR you behind AA/KK.

I assume you push and assume he's folding, but IMO push is horrible.

Someone want to discuss this more why people are ok with a push? I dont see why you'd want to risk your stack with AK right now....


i dont think pushing is a HUGE leak, i just think its bad.

[lastchance]

Pushing ownz here, both times. Villain's range is 00ber wide, probably at least 66+, AT+. You pwnenate this with AK. Playing AK postflop OOP sucks (actually playing OOP in general sucks).

I'm pushing --> Shipping it --> profit both of these hands.

[Jay Riall]

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Sykes - Yeah, but if you push i'd say your a coin flip(AQ maybe occasionally calls). OR you behind AA/KK.

I assume you push and assume he's folding, but IMO push is horrible.

Someone want to discuss this more why people are ok with a push? I dont see why you'd want to risk your stack with AK right now....


i dont think pushing is a HUGE leak, i just think its bad.

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LOL at AQ occasionally calls. You will get instacalled with A8-AQ here soo much at the $11s. You need to be paying more attention to people calling ranges.

[ymu]

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LOL at AQ occasionally calls. You will get instacalled with A8-AQ here soo much at the $11s. You need to be paying more attention to people calling ranges.

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Well - yeah, exactly. A call with AQ is great, a call with any PP sucks. You don't have much FE at the lower buy-ins - he's not thinking about stack sizes or ICM or what you might be reraising with, he's just looking at the pretty cards in front of him.

I think you have a deep enough stack here to call and see what the flop brings.

[BradleyT]

On #1 if you're thinking about pushing, why not try a stop and go? We get him to fold on a good majority of flops when he's still ahead of us. And if we do get called, the result would be the same if we had pushed preflop (since this an $11 he's not folding to our AI preflop). The only time we lose out is when Ax would have called AI preflop but then folds to our flop push.

Edit - I guess I'm assuming he'll fold 77 on a QT3 flop etc..which may not be the case at the $11's.

Anyway, mix it up...try a stop and go sometime, push other times.

[lastchance]

Cuz you have AK and a huge stack preflop. You dominate stuff here. You don't want dominated stuff to fold.

[hedgehug]

Ok, I think the problem is that I consider raising/reraising with 1/3 my stack, sometimes up to 40%, instead of just pushing.
Should I just set the limit at 30% at the $11's? (And am I right to think that this limit shouldn't be as rigid at higher buyins ?)

[Magic Man]

Push both its a $11