Automatic Shufflers

[AKQJ10]

I think the idea was that the shuffler set up AA vs. KK vs. QQ, then the dealer's random cut would determine who hit the jackpot this time. I guess they think it's hard to get to $40 and invoke the max rake in a raked SSNL or SSLHE game.

Woe be unto the dealer who accidentally cuts so the stacked pocket pairs end up too far down in the deck, coming out as garbled community cards or in the unused stub. Why, that'd be almost like a random shuffle, and casinos with random shuffles apparently can't stay in business.

[pokerfloor]

You're lucky last time I played I sat for two hours before I got a card higher then a jack

[punkass]

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This is not an "automatic shufflers" are rigged post. The likelihood of this occurring is like zero.

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So there's still a little chance, right?

[AKQJ10]

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This is not an "automatic shufflers" are rigged post. The likelihood of this occurring is like zero.

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So there's still a little chance, right?

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Of course. Bridges fail; planes crash; people cheat.

[joe c]

I once got quads two hands in a row in live poker with a manual shuffle. chances of this happening are like zero. conclusion: dealer must have stacked the deck.

[LionelHutz00]

I hear that online poker is rigged too.

[Photoc]

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I have a different feel about the game when I play with automatic shufflers

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Give me a break, ROFL. Cards and shufflers don't have feelings, how do you have them about the cards and shufflers? Casinos dont have to do anything to "rig" a game, the rake pays for everything. They have no interest in the outcome of a hand. Please go back to playing on the internet where no one coludes or cheats and they respect your raises. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

[JJNJustin]

I appreciate all of your responses. I wasnt expecting too much in the way of affirmation, and that's good. Obviously I am not totally convinced of my own speculation about this or I wouldnt play poker 5 days a week at the Detroit casinos. I get hypomanic often and when I do sometimes mild paranoia or suspiciousness developes, in this case about automatic shufflers. Nevertheless, here are some things that still bother me:

1) Greektown Casino in Detroit has 18 tables, 90% of which at any given time are spreading a timed collection NL game. Since dealing extra hands per hour generates them no extra income with this time collection, why do they generously pay the monthly leasing for shufflers on each and every one of their tables?

2)Why is the dealer only allowed to cut once, yet not do anything else to the deck?

3)Why do these devices have infrared lasers installed in them, yet reportedly are not capable of reading the cards?

4)Why are these devices so expensive to purchase that most casinos lease them? The purchase price is listed as $14,000 on the website, www.shufflemaster.com. Is the machinery required just to produce a random shuffle so sophisticated as to cost this much?

-J

[magoo]

Casinos hire professional persons with degrees in casino management, business degrees, finance degrees, etc. They make the decisions about the issues your raise. You play in Detroit. But, you should realize, all casinos operate out of the same money/business management books. It seems to me, you are playing too frequently in poker rooms, you really don't care for. I understand that. No way, I would play in Greektown and Motor City a total of five days a week.


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I appreciate all of your responses. I wasnt expecting too much in the way of affirmation, and that's good. Obviously I am not totally convinced of my own speculation about this or I wouldnt play poker 5 days a week at the Detroit casinos. I get hypomanic often and when I do sometimes mild paranoia or suspiciousness developes, in this case about automatic shufflers. Nevertheless, here are some things that still bother me:

1) Greektown Casino in Detroit has 18 tables, 90% of which at any given time are spreading a timed collection NL game. Since dealing extra hands per hour generates them no extra income with this time collection, why do they generously pay the monthly leasing for shufflers on each and every one of their tables?

2)Why is the dealer only allowed to cut once, yet not do anything else to the deck?

3)Why do these devices have infrared lasers installed in them, yet reportedly are not capable of reading the cards?

4)Why are these devices so expensive to purchase that most casinos lease them? The purchase price is listed as $14,000 on the website, www.shufflemaster.com. Is the machinery required just to produce a random shuffle so sophisticated as to cost this much?

-J

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[MrDannimal]

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I appreciate all of your responses. I wasnt expecting too much in the way of affirmation, and that's good. Obviously I am not totally convinced of my own speculation about this or I wouldnt play poker 5 days a week at the Detroit casinos. I get hypomanic often and when I do sometimes mild paranoia or suspiciousness developes, in this case about automatic shufflers. Nevertheless, here are some things that still bother me:

1) Greektown Casino in Detroit has 18 tables, 90% of which at any given time are spreading a timed collection NL game. Since dealing extra hands per hour generates them no extra income with this time collection, why do they generously pay the monthly leasing for shufflers on each and every one of their tables?

2)Why is the dealer only allowed to cut once, yet not do anything else to the deck?

3)Why do these devices have infrared lasers installed in them, yet reportedly are not capable of reading the cards?

4)Why are these devices so expensive to purchase that most casinos lease them? The purchase price is listed as $14,000 on the website, www.shufflemaster.com. Is the machinery required just to produce a random shuffle so sophisticated as to cost this much?

-J

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1) The dealers all claim that the wear and tear on their hands/wrists is much less on tables with shufflers than without. I sat at Greektown for several hours recently with a broken shuffler, and every dealer mentioned it. They pay the lease because of the other benefits. More hands/hr doesn't generate more rake, but it does generate happier players. Who then decide not to go to MCC.

2) The more a dealer is allowed to fiddle with the deck, the more chances they have to rig it.

3) The laser is used to count the number of cards and their movement, not what the card is. Just like any home security system can't tell you WHO tripped the sensor, just that it WAS tripped.

4) Shufflemaster has a vested interest in leasing the machines instead of selling them. That is, continued income at a known and consistant level. Rather than hoping new machines get bought at a certain rate, they know there's $X coming in each month from leases.