Turn Around's Fair Play

[locutus2002]

I'd bet the turn to keep tension in the hand and prevent villain from leading the river.

I think a K bets, 2 diamonds bet, and a pair bets. If you are ahead, then villain should release his hand that has 18% in the pot (except for 2 diamonds), unless he wants to make a move OOP early on against you. It's hard for villain to lead the river with an overpair (99+), you may have additional FE if a diamond comes.

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I'd bet the turn to keep tension in the hand

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What does this mean exactly?

[locutus2002]

It's more convincing that you are ahead if you bet the turn.

[Superfluous Man]

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It's more convincing that you are ahead if you bet the turn.

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But hands that we want to convince of being behind (any king, AA-TT) are never folding even if we bet the turn.

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It's more convincing that you are ahead if you bet the turn.

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1) Why are you convinced we are not ahead?
2) What hand that is beating us will fold to a turn bet?

[locutus2002]

These hands are less likely to bet the river OOP early on if you bet the turn.

Hero is either going to have to call on the river (if he checks the turn) or bet the turn and check on the river. In general the pot will be about the same.

I'm more interested in folding out hands with equity this early on than keeping the pot small, and it's consistent with the rest of my hands.

Obviously, others games play differently, and weird 3rd and 4th level thinking is possible.

[locutus2002]

When you check the turn, villain's range is pretty wide and hero probably has to call on the river (or check behind).

When you bet the turn your hand looks much stronger, and you make it much harder for him to bluff the river. I think you get more valuable info in general from betting the turn.

I'd also wonder why I am in the pot with a midpair if I am not going to play it strong on a safe flop (the turn makes it safer).

24 hands are overpairs, they all call. 60 quality aces fold. and some assorted crap depending on villains opening range.

Checking the turn, raising the river is an interesting idea, but will lead to a much larger pot and villain may have a hand he won't release. Without a read this is pretty risky, but unclear.

[TheNewf]

I generally bet half the pot planning to not put another chip in after that. If we're behind I'd probably pay off his river bet anyways so I prefer getting money in this way so at least we fold out his overcard hands (and I don't think he's the type to CR bluff here almost ever). The other reasonable line seems to be checking behind and folding to most river bets. This seems weak but it would be a strange spot for him to bluff the river after giving up with overcards on the turn (if you think he does this enough then checking behind and calling the river makes sense).

[sdplayerb]

why is it standard to call that flop?
what can you beat here other than AQ/AJ?
Yes you can make plays at him with QQ-TT, but not sure why this is "standard"?

[durron597]

I would bet like 2/5 pot - 1/2 pot. It's an amount that charges hands that have 6 outs properly, but it's a small enough amount that it looks like we aren't really expecting him to fold here and are trying to extract value. If he checkraises we fold. If he just calls and leads the river, don't call. I'm not really sure if AK/KQ is more common with that line than QQ-TT blocking bet, so I don't know if we should raise or fold, but calling would be bad.