Standard for mid pair or am I a smacktard?

[BogusRogus]

Perfect. Thank you very much. I do see how I allowed a J7, for example, to beat me by not leading the turn. That would be a tragedy and not worth the potential pickoff of a donk bet.

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[bravos1]

I'm somewhat intrigued... does no one else fold this PF?

[johnnytt]

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I'm somewhat intrigued... does no one else fold this PF?

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I fold here alot but not always. I would like 1 more limper usually here before I call. But if the button and BB are bad players I will call.

[BogusRogus]

You are correct to fold here, but multitabling you just get in auto preflop chart mode sometimes.

[bravos1]

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I'm somewhat intrigued... does no one else fold this PF?

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I fold here alot but not always. I would like 1 more limper usually here before I call. But if the button and BB are bad players I will call.

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Even then, T7s doesn't give you much to work with here!

[johnnytt]

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Even then, T7s doesn't give you much to work with here!

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You are correct but against the type of player that open limps on the button with 6d Js and then shows it down I dont mind seeing a flop with T7s getting basicly 5 to 1 on a call.

[00Snitch]

wow, i must be way off. i like the hand.

PF is 50/50.

i check that flop.

i like the c/r because it should get it HU. *may* give you a free turn and may clean up some outs.

the turn im not so sure about. i would probably bet it. and check/call the river.

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A few people said it before. I would bet the flop. You´ve made a hand

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this is a rediculous statement. u dont bet a flop just because you have a made hand.

[btspider]

bet x3

[Bodizapha]

*Grunch*

Flop looks okay, but the turn and river are bad. You have to bet the turn, you are representing at least a Queen.

[Christian_Peters]

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Perfect. Thank you very much. I do see how I allowed a J7, for example, to beat me by not leading the turn. That would be a tragedy and not worth the potential pickoff of a donk bet.

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NP, but also, it's not a donk bet when he has position and you showed weakness on the turn. There's probably a good argument for him betting here with his J-high because that's the only way he's going to win this hand. Sorry, don't mean to be moronic [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img].


A pooh-bah will correct me if I'm wrong here, but I think about 99% of the time you c/r the flop, you lead the turn. The only time you don't is when you're quite sure villain was on a draw and it hit.

Here's an example - let's say your in the BB with 5 limpers and you hold K [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]8 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].

Flop comes T [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]6 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]K [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

You probably have the best hand. But it is very vulnerable. Here's what would be going through my mind. I'm going to check, with the intention of c/r a late position bet to protect my hand. Also, I can easily let the hand go if there's a bet and a raise somewhere. I also might let the hand go if there is an EP bet or an MP bet and a couple of callers.
Now let's say it's checked to the CO who bets, Button folds, you c/r and everyone folds to the CO who calls.
I think you should bet out any card. Just given the size of the field, there's a good chance villain was betting a flush draw, but the line you should take if a spade hits is b/f. Notice that if you check, villain now knows that you are scared of the flush. He can bluff bet you, and you really have no idea where you stand. He may have bet the flop with a single pair lower than your K. Who knows? So, if you check and he bets, you are now in the uncomfortable position of getting the worst of it - paying off a better hand or folding a winning hand to a bluff. But he doesn't have to bluff bet. He can take the free card to beat you. Let's suppose he checks, and the River comes an A. You know he doesn't have the flush, but how good do you feel about betting your K. Do you even feel good about c/c?
It's so much better just to bet the turn almost always. Even if the river wasn't the A, he could have made 2 pair with the free card you gave him.

Here's an example of a play I made at my local B&M. It's the first hand of the session, I'm in the BB with 3 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]3 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. 7 players to the flop (the pot is already medium and it's only going to get bigger - I'm praying for a set here).
Flop: 8 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]T [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]3 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

I can feel my heart pounding. This is a pretty scary, draw heavy board for the kind of hands these casino fish love to play. I feel the pot is pretty big and someone is going to bet this, so I plan a c/r. Sure enough, MP3 bets. 1 fold. I c/r. I get a couple more out and a few dirty looks from the senior citizens. Bettor calls. As do a few others.

Turn comes 9 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
And being the pussy that I am, I check. My plan is to just call it down because I'm so sure there's a straight out there. It's checked to the Flop bettor who again bets, I call. Two more folds. Only 1 other caller by now.

River comes T [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
I bet. 1 fold. Villain raises me. Do reraise? No, because I'm a pussy and I'm scared of a better boat.

He turns over A [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]T [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. I take down a nice pot that could have been 2BB nicer if I had balls. I also could have lost the pot if I allowed a GSSD to get a free river card.

At the break, I told my friend about the hand, and he promptly smacked me upside the head.

Hope some of this discussion helps you in your c/r's from the blinds.