Geniusness at the 215's

[sofere]

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[23:29] raptor51786: meh
[23:29] raptor51786: huge pot odds
[23:29] raptor51786: he can win with 22

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and

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[23:29] raptor51786: BUT theres a ton of chpis in there

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Are pretty big signs raptor was yankin yer chain.

And it seems he damn near yanked it off. [img]/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img]

[Daliman]

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obv thats me saying its a great call. you seem to miss the value i have in pissing you off too. this is priceless how worked up you get [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img] holla

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Actually, it's you saying you don't mind the call, not that's it's terrible, and yes, it's every bit as bad as I said it was, and worse.

Reading comprehension must not be high in Texas grade schools. Maybe you'll learn more in junior high.

[raptor517]

lol thankyou. dali is common sense pwn genius. holla

[ilya]

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I ran SNGPT on this hand, and the call versus two opponents with any 2 cards with me having 20 times more(600) is still a -$46 call. It won't run with 30 chips in Sb, but I'm thinking this call is upwards of -$80.

Can anyone run this properly?

P.S. Raptor said he doesn't mind this call, before finally backing off and saying it's terrible when I showed it was gigantically -EV.

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a, how did you run this? when i switch my SNGPT to call mode, it grays out everyone except the raiser & the caller and assumes that the pot is HU.

b, i'm not sure it's true that the call is more -EV with you having fewer chips as long as the SB has still forceed you all-in. if you had more chips, you'd take a whole lot more off the caller if the hand went

you >> caller >> raiser.

[Daliman]

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I ran SNGPT on this hand, and the call versus two opponents with any 2 cards with me having 20 times more(600) is still a -$46 call. It won't run with 30 chips in Sb, but I'm thinking this call is upwards of -$80.

Can anyone run this properly?

P.S. Raptor said he doesn't mind this call, before finally backing off and saying it's terrible when I showed it was gigantically -EV.

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a, how did you run this? when i switch my SNGPT to call mode, it grays out everyone except the raiser & the caller and assumes that the pot is HU.

b, i'm not sure it's true that the call is more -EV with you having fewer chips as long as the SB has still forceed you all-in. if you had more chips, you'd take a whole lot more off the caller if the hand went

you >> caller >> raiser.

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If i have 30 chips, his chances of 3rd if he avoids confrontation likely under 1%, as my EV is $404

With 600 chips, my EV is $467, $39 of which comes from the short stack, so yeah, it costs him a TON more when i have less.

[Daliman]

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I think [ QUOTE ]
[23:29] raptor51786: meh
[23:29] raptor51786: huge pot odds
[23:29] raptor51786: he can win with 22

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and

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[23:29] raptor51786: BUT theres a ton of chpis in there

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Are pretty big signs raptor was yankin yer chain.

And it seems he damn near yanked it off. [img]/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img]

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How often you talk to rap?

[ilya]

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I ran SNGPT on this hand, and the call versus two opponents with any 2 cards with me having 20 times more(600) is still a -$46 call. It won't run with 30 chips in Sb, but I'm thinking this call is upwards of -$80.

Can anyone run this properly?

P.S. Raptor said he doesn't mind this call, before finally backing off and saying it's terrible when I showed it was gigantically -EV.

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a, how did you run this? when i switch my SNGPT to call mode, it grays out everyone except the raiser & the caller and assumes that the pot is HU.

b, i'm not sure it's true that the call is more -EV with you having fewer chips as long as the SB has still forceed you all-in. if you had more chips, you'd take a whole lot more off the caller if the hand went

you >> caller >> raiser.

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If i have 30 chips, his chances of 3rd if he avoids confrontation likely under 1%, as my EV is $404

With 600 chips, my EV is $467, $39 of which comes from the short stack, so yeah, it costs him a TON more when i have less.

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But, for those times it's you >> caller >> raiser, if you triple up at his expense to 90 chips, your EV probably only goes up by, like, $1-3. Moreover his own EV goes up, since most of the chips are in the sidepot & he wins that. But if you double up to 1800 at his expense, his EV goes up by, like, $100! And since there is now no sidepot, his EV goes down.

Ok you know what, I'm just gonna do the ICM by hand & I'll post the results in a little bit. It'll be 600 chips for you vs. 30 chips for you, with the other two stacks unchanged, with any2 vs. any2 vs. 22 each time. Also PokerStove is slow so I'm just gonna say each hand has 33% equity even though 22 probably has a bit of an edge.

[curtains]

Im confused what the argument is here, but this is really an unbelievably easy fold.

[ilya]

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Im confused what the argument is here, but this is really an unbelievably easy fold.

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I don't understand why [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img], the short stack has been forced all-in...

[curtains]

I assume because they are in the SB.