Defeating Jon Kyl - Page 2

Berge20 · #11 08-09-2006, 05:16 PM

I would be very surprised to see Pederson give you guys an official response about the issue, but as it has been pointed out, that doesn't matter much.

If you can take out the Senator who is pushing a pet issue bill like this, it will make a difference. Particulary if there isn't another strong will with another Senator to get it done.

I would disagree slightly with TruePoker CEO on one thing he mentioned. When you say if the bill is unsuccessful we won't have to worry about it for two years, I would argue that 1) We should continue to work against it 2) It could easily surface next year in the House if the Republicans retain a majority.

Guthrie · #12 08-09-2006, 05:29 PM

Instead of charity tournaments, why not a "Defeat Jon Kyl" tournament, preferably several of them, at various poker sites, starting, of course, with True Poker.

I don't know about the legalities of it, restriction on the size of contribution, offshore company writing the check, etc., but it will sure as hell stir up some publicity.

Let the American Taliban know that if they keep sticking their blue noses where they don't belong there will be repercussions.

Moneyline · #13 08-09-2006, 05:45 PM

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This would be absolutely hilarious and a good way for the issue to gain visibility among poker players. I doubt Pederson would accept the money, and he probably wouldn't legally be allowed to even if he wanted to, but the cash could be used for advertisements in rags like Cardplayer.

Nate tha\\\' Great · #14 08-09-2006, 07:03 PM

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Instead of charity tournaments, why not a "Defeat Jon Kyl" tournament, preferably several of them, at various poker sites, starting, of course, with True Poker.

I don't know about the legalities of it, restriction on the size of contribution, offshore company writing the check, etc., but it will sure as hell stir up some publicity.

Let the American Taliban know that if they keep sticking their blue noses where they don't belong there will be repercussions.

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This is a bad idea IMO and could personalize the issue in a way that doesn't shed the best light on our community. I don't want a vindictive John Kyl motivated to pass this bill out of spite.

Lawman007 · #15 08-09-2006, 07:31 PM

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Instead of charity tournaments, why not a "Defeat Jon Kyl" tournament, preferably several of them, at various poker sites, starting, of course, with True Poker.

I don't know about the legalities of it, restriction on the size of contribution, offshore company writing the check, etc., but it will sure as hell stir up some publicity.

Let the American Taliban know that if they keep sticking their blue noses where they don't belong there will be repercussions.

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This is a bad idea IMO and could personalize the issue in a way that doesn't shed the best light on our community. I don't want a vindictive John Kyl motivated to pass this bill out of spite.

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I agree with Nate. Besides, Pederson probably wouldn't accept the money anyway. Take whatever money you would spend to enter such a poker tournament, plus whatever else you can afford, and contribute it to Pederson's campaign.

We don't need to make a big production out of this. There are a lot of people out there who do think online poker should be banned. We just need to do whatever we can to make sure that this jackass Kyl is not re-elected.

TruePoker CEO · #16 08-09-2006, 07:35 PM

I believe that Federal law limits an idividual's contribution to a candidate in a single Federal election to $2,100. So, everyone eligible to contribute should follow Lawman's lead and donate whatever you can, up to $2,100.

That may be a bit more than 2X your hourly rate, but we have a lot of "big winners" who post here. .... Time to post up some $$$$

Percula · #17 08-09-2006, 07:39 PM

There is a pretty good chance Kyl will get a nasty suprise this year with the imigration situation here. There are lot of "newly registered" voters as a result of the marches down here. I would be very surprised if Kyl got a lot of those votes. The opinion on the street seems to be pro anybody but Kyl when it comes to imigration, which is the hot button issue here right now.

Something of note too, there doesn't seem to be a lot of hot issues coming up for vote this year here. Most years there is some heated battle of prop XYZ, but this year, there doesn't seem to be one. This may well result in low turnout. Hopefully with a govenor to elect and the imigration we will have a high turnout, which IMO spells trouble for Kyl.

TruePoker CEO · #18 08-09-2006, 07:41 PM

'would disagree slightly with TruePoker CEO on one thing he mentioned. When you say if the bill is unsuccessful we won't have to worry about it for two years, "

What I tried to say was that if Senator Kyl is also defeated, then we have likely gained 2 years.

I do not disagree with the need for vigilance, I was just trying to highlight why a defeat for Kyl is worth something more in the long run, IF we get to the long run.

Short-run .... defeat HR4411, in part by tying up Senator Kyl in his own re-ellection effort.

Long-run .... a defeat of Kyl now will help sap the bill for at least 2 years in the Senate. Otherwise, Senator Kyl will perservere, as he likely sincerely believes he is right.

This is the ONLY opportunity to stop Kyl's backing of this sort of oppressive, nanny-government claptrap for the next 6 years. He is vulnerable now, not next year.

TruePoker CEO · #19 08-09-2006, 07:44 PM

"The key is to defeat Kyl, and Pederson is the only person who can do that, so all poker players should contribute to his campaign for that reason alone, regardless of his "official" position on the bill.

I would suggest that you e-mail Pederson after you make your contribution and tell him why you, an out-of-state resident, have contributed money to his campaign.'

He is right, do it today, please. ....

Moneyline · #20 08-09-2006, 08:23 PM

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There is a pretty good chance Kyl will get a nasty suprise this year with the imigration situation here. There are lot of "newly registered" voters as a result of the marches down here. I would be very surprised if Kyl got a lot of those votes. The opinion on the street seems to be pro anybody but Kyl when it comes to imigration, which is the hot button issue here right now.

Something of note too, there doesn't seem to be a lot of hot issues coming up for vote this year here. Most years there is some heated battle of prop XYZ, but this year, there doesn't seem to be one. This may well result in low turnout. Hopefully with a govenor to elect and the imigration we will have a high turnout, which IMO spells trouble for Kyl.

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That's great news, Percula. I see that you're a Phoenix resident. Do you hear any talk about Kyl in the poker rooms around there? I'm hoping the casino poker players in Arizona are familiar with the issue.